'The ZEN of EVERYTHING! Podcast' ... Episode 60 ... Animals

[Jundo]

Even listen to podcasts in moderation ... except this one, of course!

Episode 60 ... Animals

Jundo and Kirk examine whether Pink Floyd's 1977 album Animals deserves a critical reappraisal. And they talk about animals, sentience, and eating meat (or not).

THE LINK: https://www.zen-of-everything.com/60

For more about the podcast, where to send your serious or silly questions ...

https://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showthread.php?17016-The-ZEN-of-EVERYTHING%21-Podcast-with-Jundo-Kirk-is-ON-THE-AIR%21

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Gassho, Jundo

SatTodayLAH

[Jishin]

Even listen to podcasts in moderation ... except this one, of course!

Episode 60 ... Animals



THE LINK: https://www.zen-of-everything.com/60

For more about the podcast, where to send your serious or silly questions ...

https://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showthread.php?17016-The-ZEN-of-EVERYTHING%21-Podcast-with-Jundo-Kirk-is-ON-THE-AIR%21

You can also sign up by RSS, or hear it many places such as Spotify and Apple Podcasts (follow the links above).

Gassho, Jundo

SatTodayLAH

Just listened to it. Very good. [emoji106][emoji106]

Gassho, Jishin, __/stlah\__

[Anchi]

[Risho]

ah nice podcast - thank you

Gassho

Risho
-stlah

[Shoki]

Thanks Jundo & Kirk on a most excellent episode. Shine on you crazy Diamonds. (Wish You Were Here is in my top three all time list).

Gassho
STlah
Shoki

[Washin]

[Doshin]

Doshin
St

[Inshin]

Update on “does a dog have a Buddha nature“ : Animals have been formally recognised as sentient beings in UK law thanks to the Animal Welfare (Sentience) Bill introduced in parliament on 13 May 2021.

[Ryumon]

Update on “does a dog have a Buddha nature“ : Animals have been formally recognised as sentient beings in UK law thanks to the Animal Welfare (Sentience) Bill introduced in parliament on 13 May 2021.

Not so fast...

First of all, it hasn't passed yet.

https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/2867

Second of all, it's merely creating a "committee"

"A Bill to make provision for an Animal Sentience Committee with functions relating to the effect of government policy on the welfare of animals as sentient beings."

Third, it only applies to vertebrates:

"(1) In this Act “animal” means any vertebrate other than homo sapiens."

Just saying...

[Edit]

Oh, one more thing. It refers to section 1(5) of the Animal Welfare Act 2006 which says:


1Animals to which the Act applies

(1)In this Act, except subsections (4) and (5), “animal” means a vertebrate other than man.

(2)Nothing in this Act applies to an animal while it is in its foetal or embryonic form.

(3)The appropriate national authority may by regulations for all or any of the purposes of this Act—

(a)extend the definition of “animal” so as to include invertebrates of any description;

(b)make provision in lieu of subsection (2) as respects any invertebrates included in the definition of “animal”;

(c)amend subsection (2) to extend the application of this Act to an animal from such earlier stage of its development as may be specified in the regulations.

(4)The power under subsection (3)(a) or (c) may only be exercised if the appropriate national authority is satisfied, on the basis of scientific evidence, that animals of the kind concerned are capable of experiencing pain or suffering.

(5)In this section, “vertebrate” means any animal of the Sub-phylum Vertebrata of the Phylum Chordata and “invertebrate” means any animal not of that Sub-phylum.



None of this defines sentience in any way or says that animals are sentient, to be honest. But it does mention, in (4) above, that scientific evidence that animals experience pain or suffering is the criterion.

So do slugs experience pain or suffering? They are not an animal of the Sub-phylum Vertebrata of the Phylum Chordata. What about insects? Does a dog really have Buddha nature? Mu.

Gassho,

Ryūmon

sat

[Jundo]

Yes, you have found the answer to the Koan:

A monk asked the priest Jōshū, “Does a dog have buddha nature, or not?” Jōshū replied, “That's in committee."

Gassho, J

STLah

[aprapti]

Yes, you have found the answer to the Koan:

A monk asked the priest Jōshū, “Does a dog have buddha nature, or not?” Jōshū replied, “That's in committee."

aprapti

sat