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  • Kokuu
    Dharma Transmitted Priest
    • Nov 2012
    • 7153

    ARTS: Zen poets, an introduction

    Hello all

    Onka asked me to recommend some Zen poets and books of their work so I replied with this and thought it might also be of interest to others.

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    I would say that your go-to man is Ryōkan (1758–1831) who was a Sōtō Zen hermit, poet and calligrapher. His book One Robe, One Bowl is one of my absolute favourites and there are other books about him and translations of his poems of which the most authoritative is The Zen Poems of Ryōkan by Nobuyuki Yuasa.

    My hut lies in the middle of a dense forest;
    Every year the green ivy frows longer.
    No news of the affairs of men,
    Only the occasional song of a woodcutter.
    The sun shines and I mend me robe;
    When the moon comes out I read Buddhist poems.
    I have nothing to report my friends.
    If you want to find the meaning, stop chasing after so many things.



    Next I love Han Shan (Cold Mountain; 9th century China) who was a Buddhist/Taoist hermit. His poetry is wonderful and there are great translations of his work either by Red Pine or Peter Levitt/Kaz Tanahashi. Upaya Zen Center recently had a retreat on his work led by Peter Levitt and Kaz: http://https://www.upaya.org/2020/06...nshan-7-parts/

    Ikkyū Sōjun (1394–1481) is a great poet but also one of our Zen rebels, who eschewed being a Zen abbot to spend time in brothels and bars, falling in love with a blind girl in his old age. Jundo spent one podcast berating him for being a womanising drunk and while this is doubtless true, he wrote some great poetry (as well as really explicit poetry even by modern standards) which can be found in the book Crow with No Mouth.

    Compare:

    flowers are silent silence is silent the mind is a silent flower the silent flower of the world opens


    all koans just lead you on
    but not the delicious pu**y of the young girls I go down on


    He was also funny:

    born born everything is always born
    thinking about it try not to


    The man we studied during Rohatsu is Shitou Xiqian (Sekito Kisen in her Japanese spelling). He is not so much of a poet but many Zen teachers wrote teaching verses. He wrote both The Song of the Grass Roof Hermitage, and The Identity of Relative and Absolute that we chant at monthly Zazenkais.

    Dōgen is also a poet of some reknown himself, and recent visitor Steven Heine translated a bunch of his poems: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...oetry_of_Dogen

    Wearing dragon scales, rabbit horns, and turtle hair,
    With falling rain and rising clouds, we see the path is slippery.
    Gouging out the empty sky, seeking has not ceased.
    Tonight, finally, I grasp the moon in the water.



    Although not a Zen priest, the haiku master Matsuo Bashō was a student of Zen and his poems definitely convey that essence. His travelog interwoven with haiku, Narrow Road to the Interior, is a classic of Japanese literature. Robert Aitken Roshi, author of our precepts text The Mind of Clover, wrote a volume looking at Basho's work from a Zen perspective called A Zen Wave: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15849297-a-zen-wave I have also written a little about the relationship between Zen and haiku: https://yearinhaiku.wordpress.com/zen-and-haiku/

    Taneda Santōka (1882-1940) came to Sōtō Zen after attempting suicide and was later ordained. Ann knows a great deal of his work and had an exhibition based on paper rakusus she made with each one inspired by a Santōka poem: The Rakusu Project There are a number of books of his work. I have Mountain Tasting which I love.

    Going deeper
    And still deeper —
    The Green Mountains


    As far as more modern Zen poets go, two of my favourites are the Rinzai Zen student and environmentalist Gary Snyder (1930- ) and Jane Hirshfield (1953- ;https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/jane-hirshfield) who took Jukai at San Francisco Zen Center in 1979.

    For Nothing (Gary Snyder)

    Earth a flower
    A phlox on the steep
    slopes of light
    hanging over the vast
    solid spaces
    small rotten crystals;
    salts.

    Earth a flower
    by a gulf where a raven
    flaps by once
    a glimmer, a color
    forgotten as all
    falls away.

    A flower
    for nothing;
    an offer;
    no taker;

    Snow-trickle, feldspar, dirt.



    Shunryu Suzuki's wife Mitsu (1914-2016) was also a fine poet with two collections of haiku poetry with many Zen themes, White Tea Bowl and Temple Dusk.

    Autumn cloud
    as if it knew
    my life alone.


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    I have probably missed some people out but this can be seen as a start to some of the more important poets in the Zen tradition.

    Gassho
    Kokuu
    Last edited by Jundo; 01-24-2021, 02:34 AM.
  • Seikan
    Member
    • Apr 2020
    • 710

    #2
    Kokuu,

    Thank you for sharing. Gary Snyder is a long-time personal favorite of mine as well and I recently have been reading more of Jane Hirschfield's work as well.

    Another contemporary western poet that was heavily influenced by the Chinese poets such as Han Shan, Li Po, etc. was the late David Budbill. I highly recommend any of his books.

    A website dedicated to the works of poet and playwright David Budbill.


    Gassho,
    Rob

    -st-



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    • Kokuu
      Dharma Transmitted Priest
      • Nov 2012
      • 7153

      #3
      Thank you for that recommendation, Rob. I will definitely check him out!

      Gassho
      Kokuu
      -sattoday/lah-

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      • Shinshi
        Senior Priest-in-Training
        • Jul 2010
        • 3908

        #4
        Thank you Kokuu!



        Gassho, Shinshi

        SaT-LaH
        空道 心志 Kudo Shinshi

        For Zen students a weed is a treasure. With this attitude, whatever you do, life becomes an art.
        ​— Shunryu Suzuki

        E84I - JAJ

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        • Doshin
          Member
          • May 2015
          • 2621

          #5
          I have not followed poetry, not that I have not read a little once it awhile but never ventured deep into its appreciation This thread, others and the commonality of poetry within Zen practice have encouraged me to try and understand better and explore some. What does poetry mean for you, do the words have a specific meaning or it’s the interpretation of the audience, keeping within the 3 sentences can not explain more so hope my request is understandable.

          Doshin
          St

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          • Juki
            Member
            • Dec 2012
            • 771

            #6
            Thank you, Kokuu

            I like Jane Hirshfield and Gary Snyder. Are you familiar with the work of Philip Whalen, Snyder's longtime friend and a Priest at SFZC?

            Gassho,
            Juki

            Sat today and lah
            "First you have to give up." Tyler Durden

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            • Kokuu
              Dharma Transmitted Priest
              • Nov 2012
              • 7153

              #7
              Hi Juki

              I am of course aware of Philip Whalen in a Zen context as the successor of Richard Baker Roshi at SFZC but did not know he was a poet! Thank you!

              Gassho
              Kokuu
              -sattoday/lah-

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              • Kokuu
                Dharma Transmitted Priest
                • Nov 2012
                • 7153

                #8
                This thread, others and the commonality of poetry within Zen practice have encouraged me to try and understand better and explore some. What does poetry mean for you, do the words have a specific meaning or it’s the interpretation of the audience, keeping within the 3 sentences can not explain more so hope my request is understandable.
                Hi Doshin

                Maybe others can answer that too but for me, poetry is like other forms of art in that it can create an image that speaks to the heart (or subconscious if you prefer) rather than the intellect. Dōgen uses imagery like this often in Shōbōgenzō.

                For example, take the famous poem Zazen on Ching-t’ing Mountain by Li Po (China; 701–762):

                The birds have vanished down the sky.
                Now the last cloud drains away.

                We sit together, the mountain and me,
                until only the mountain remains.


                (translated by Sam Hamill)

                How powerful is that as a description of Zazen?!

                Gassho
                Kokuu
                -sattoday/lah-

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                • Seikan
                  Member
                  • Apr 2020
                  • 710

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Kokuu
                  Maybe others can answer that too but for me, poetry is like other forms of art in that it can create an image that speaks to the heart (or subconscious if you prefer) rather than the intellect. Dōgen uses imagery like this often in Shōbōgenzō.

                  For example, take the famous poem Zazen on Ching-t’ing Mountain by Li Po (China; 701–762):

                  The birds have vanished down the sky.
                  Now the last cloud drains away.

                  We sit together, the mountain and me,
                  until only the mountain remains.


                  (translated by Sam Hamill)

                  How powerful is that as a description of Zazen?!
                  That is still my favorite translation of that poem, and frankly, it was one of my earliest introductions to Zen poetry. Ironically, I first read it in the opening pages of Joseph Goldstein's book "Insight Mediation: The Practice of Freedom", not a Zen book!

                  Speaking of Snyder, Whalen, etc., I also heartily recommend "Poets on the Peaks" By John Suiter, where he writes about the years when Snyder, Whalen, and Kerouac each spent their summers working as fire lookouts in the western U.S. mountains and were starting to develop their individual interests in Zen (all ultimately taking very different paths later in life). If you're interested in the developmental years of the beat poets, it is a fantastic read.

                  Gassho,
                  Rob

                  -st-


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                  • Archpoet
                    Member
                    • Oct 2018
                    • 25

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Doshin
                    I have not followed poetry, not that I have not read a little once it awhile but never ventured deep into its appreciation This thread, others and the commonality of poetry within Zen practice have encouraged me to try and understand better and explore some. What does poetry mean for you, do the words have a specific meaning or it’s the interpretation of the audience, keeping within the 3 sentences can not explain more so hope my request is understandable.

                    Doshin
                    St
                    In my opinion...

                    Poetry is the meaning
                    Between the words
                    And what is left
                    Unsaid.


                    Gassho!
                    C.

                    #st/lah

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                    • Doshin
                      Member
                      • May 2015
                      • 2621

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Kokuu
                      Hi Doshin

                      Maybe others can answer that too but for me, poetry is like other forms of art in that it can create an image that speaks to the heart (or subconscious if you prefer) rather than the intellect. Dōgen uses imagery like this often in Shōbōgenzō.

                      For example, take the famous poem Zazen on Ching-t’ing Mountain by Li Po (China; 701–762):

                      The birds have vanished down the sky.
                      Now the last cloud drains away.

                      We sit together, the mountain and me,
                      until only the mountain remains.


                      (translated by Sam Hamill)

                      How powerful is that as a description of Zazen?!

                      Gassho
                      Kokuu
                      -sattoday/lah-

                      That truly helps Yes that is a wonderful way to describe Zazen

                      Doshin
                      St

                      PS Kokuu you will appreciate this since we have similars educations...I am trying to broaden my mind beyond the intellect/analysis trained into us
                      Last edited by Doshin; 08-18-2020, 06:03 PM.

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                      • Doshin
                        Member
                        • May 2015
                        • 2621

                        #12
                        Originally posted by RobD
                        That is still my favorite translation of that poem, and frankly, it was one of my earliest introductions to Zen poetry. Ironically, I first read it in the opening pages of Joseph Goldstein's book "Insight Mediation: The Practice of Freedom", not a Zen book!

                        Speaking of Snyder, Whalen, etc., I also heartily recommend "Poets on the Peaks" By John Suiter, where he writes about the years when Snyder, Whalen, and Kerouac each spent their summers working as fire lookouts in the western U.S. mountains and were starting to develop their individual interests in Zen (all ultimately taking very different paths later in life). If you're interested in the developmental years of the beat poets, it is a fantastic read.

                        Gassho,
                        Rob

                        -st-


                        Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk

                        Thanks for the suggestion. My wife used to live near Snyder in the 1970s and went to his readings not far from his summer home in the fire tower. I lived a few miles further down the mountain (hadn’t met my wife yet) but knew of Snyder but at that time was more consumed by the sciences so didn’t venture up to hear him even though I was meditating some then

                        Doshin
                        St

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                        • Onkai
                          Dharma Transmitted Priest
                          • Aug 2015
                          • 3274

                          #13
                          Thank you, Kokuu. In another thread I asked about writers and books on haiku, but I found some answers here. I appreciate the links offered here.

                          Gassho,
                          Onkai
                          Sat/lah
                          美道 Bidou Beautiful Way
                          恩海 Onkai Merciful/Kind Ocean

                          I'm always learning

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                          • Kokuu
                            Dharma Transmitted Priest
                            • Nov 2012
                            • 7153

                            #14
                            PS Kokuu you will appreciate this since we have similars educations...I am trying to broaden my mind beyond the intellect/analysis trained into us
                            Hi Doshin

                            Yes, I am doing the same! The good thing I find about reading and writing poetry is that I never put any pressure on myself to understand or be good at any of it as I am just a humble natural scientist!

                            Many people I know who did Arts degrees seem to go the other way and get really interested in science in later life.

                            Btw, did you book onto David Loy's Ecodharma course? I would really like to do it but don't have the space to take on anything else right now.

                            Gassho
                            Kokuu
                            -sattoday/lah-

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                            • Kokuu
                              Dharma Transmitted Priest
                              • Nov 2012
                              • 7153

                              #15
                              Thank you, Kokuu. In another thread I asked about writers and books on haiku
                              Hi Onkai

                              Here are some I like (although this list is desperately in need of an update), and Rob can doubtless name many more besides:

                              Some of my favourite haiku books Aware, A Haiku Primer by Betty Drevniok online pdf of out-of-print work Chrysanthemum Love by Fay Aoyagi a wonderful collection of modern haiku Collected Haiku of Y…


                              Gassho
                              Kokuu
                              -sattoday/lah-

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