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  • Meitou
    Member
    • Feb 2017
    • 1656

    #16
    Originally posted by kirkmc
    Re Sugimoto: When I had first seen a few of his horizon photos in a magazine, I found them interesting. I bought the book, and they really are tedious. A half dozen of them are interesting; 200 of them are not. Sorry. :-o


    Gassho,

    Kirk

    sat
    In your opinion of course. I never tire of looking at them, I feel a strong connection to them, so let's remember how subjective this all is.
    Gassho
    Meitou
    Sattoday lah
    命 Mei - life
    島 Tou - island

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    • Ryumon
      Member
      • Apr 2007
      • 1801

      #17
      Originally posted by Kyotai
      I enjoyed your photos Kirk. What strikes me as an interesting photo is a narrative or story that’s being conveyed in a single photo. I did not get that sense looking at your photoS, while I enjoyed them I did not feel a sense that a particular moment was being singled out and expressed. Rather a sense that the object was taken just as it is using many rules of photography. The symmetry of angles you used did give me a sense of “zen”
      That's a very interesting point; I'd never thought about that. It's true that many photos present "story" and that I've read many books and taken courses where the idea of story is important. Of course many don't present story: most portraits, landscapes, and still life photos. What I try to capture is mood and feeling, the "thusness" of objects and scenes. But many photographers who shoot other types of photos also do that: what else is a landscape photo other than capturing a feeling?

      But I think this is a good point:

      "a sense that the object was taken just as it is"

      I'd never considered that, but perhaps that is part of what I'm seeking. Though I would disagree with the idea that they use "many rules of photography." I'm one of those who thinks that there are no rules, especially those that are generally presented as "the rules" of photography.

      Gassho,

      Kirk

      sat
      I know nothing.

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      • Ryumon
        Member
        • Apr 2007
        • 1801

        #18
        Originally posted by Meitou
        In your opinion of course. I never tire of looking at them, I feel a strong connection to them, so let's remember how subjective this all is.
        Indeed.

        BTW, I'll be interviewing Michael Kenna on my photo podcast again in a couple of weeks, talking specifically about his new Buddha book.

        Gassho,

        Kirk

        sat
        Last edited by Ryumon; 07-16-2020, 12:34 PM.
        I know nothing.

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        • Heiso
          Member
          • Jan 2019
          • 834

          #19
          Originally posted by kirkmc
          Indeed.

          BTW, I'll be interviewing Michael Kenna on my photo podcast gain in a couple of weeks, talking specifically about his new Buddha book.

          Gassho,

          Kirk

          sat
          Excellent, I've subscribed so look forward to that one.

          Gassho

          Heiso

          StLah

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          • Kyotai

            #20
            Originally posted by kirkmc
            That's a very interesting point; I'd never thought about that. It's true that many photos present "story" and that I've read many books and taken courses where the idea of story is important. Of course many don't present story: most portraits, landscapes, and still life photos. What I try to capture is mood and feeling, the "thusness" of objects and scenes. But many photographers who shoot other types of photos also do that: what else is a landscape photo other than capturing a feeling?

            But I think this is a good point:

            "a sense that the object was taken just as it is"

            I'd never considered that, but perhaps that is part of what I'm seeking. Though I would disagree with the idea that they use "many rules of photography." I'm one of those who thinks that there are no rules, especially those that are generally presented as "the rules" of photography.

            Gassho,

            Kirk

            sat
            Well, your photos have many pleasant leading lines and 1/3's, which are certainly rules. But I've always believed that you must first learn the rules before you can start breaking them. True in photography, true in martial arts too.

            Gassho, Kyotai
            ST

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            • Ryumon
              Member
              • Apr 2007
              • 1801

              #21
              Originally posted by Kyotai
              Well, your photos have many pleasant leading lines and 1/3's, which are certainly rules. But I've always believed that you must first learn the rules before you can start breaking them. True in photography, true in martial arts too.
              I certainly don't consider the "rule" of thirds, which I call the "rule of turds," because there is no justification for it, other than the fact that early DSLRs had 1/3 grid lines. If you look back at the history of photography, it's not something that existed. And there are too many exceptions to make it useful. (If you browse my podcast PhotoActive, you'll see there's an episode where we discussed it.) As for other elements of composition, the "rules" for photography are no different from the rules for painting and other art. I very much like looking at Japanese woodblock prints from the 17th - 19th century, the classic ukiyo-e, for inspiration; their composition was similar to what "works" in photos.

              Gassho,

              Kirk

              sat
              I know nothing.

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              • Jishin
                Member
                • Oct 2012
                • 4821

                #22
                Originally posted by kirkmc
                I certainly don't consider the "rule" of thirds, which I call the "rule of turds," because there is no justification for it, other than the fact that early DSLRs had 1/3 grid lines. If you look back at the history of photography, it's not something that existed. And there are too many exceptions to make it useful. (If you browse my podcast PhotoActive, you'll see there's an episode where we discussed it.) As for other elements of composition, the "rules" for photography are no different from the rules for painting and other art. I very much like looking at Japanese woodblock prints from the 17th - 19th century, the classic ukiyo-e, for inspiration; their composition was similar to what "works" in photos.

                Gassho,

                Kirk

                sat
                Hi Kirk,

                Your podcast is very cool.

                Although artists want to do what they want to do without interference, the audience needs to be considered.

                The audience likes the rule of turds. :-)

                Gassho, Jishin, __/stlah\__

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                • Kyotai

                  #23
                  Originally posted by kirkmc
                  I certainly don't consider the "rule" of thirds, which I call the "rule of turds," because there is no justification for it, other than the fact that early DSLRs had 1/3 grid lines. If you look back at the history of photography, it's not something that existed. And there are too many exceptions to make it useful. (If you browse my podcast PhotoActive, you'll see there's an episode where we discussed it.) As for other elements of composition, the "rules" for photography are no different from the rules for painting and other art. I very much like looking at Japanese woodblock prints from the 17th - 19th century, the classic ukiyo-e, for inspiration; their composition was similar to what "works" in photos.

                  Gassho,

                  Kirk

                  sat
                  Very interesting perspective and podcast as I am about 2/3 the way through it this morning. As a newer amateur photographer, I certainly appreciated learning about rules of photography in the online course that I took as previously I would simply and always place the subject in the center of the photo. I think learning about what is widely and generally considered a pleasing photo (I emphasize generally) is helpful, before going along your photography journey.

                  Gassho, Kyotai
                  ST

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                  • Meitou
                    Member
                    • Feb 2017
                    • 1656

                    #24
                    Originally posted by kirkmc
                    Indeed.

                    BTW, I'll be interviewing Michael Kenna on my photo podcast again in a couple of weeks, talking specifically about his new Buddha book.

                    Gassho,

                    Kirk

                    sat
                    Gratitude

                    meitou
                    sattodaylah
                    命 Mei - life
                    島 Tou - island

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                    • Jishin
                      Member
                      • Oct 2012
                      • 4821

                      #25
                      I don't know if this is Fukinsei or Zen. They are grapes though.



                      Gassho, Jishin, __/stlah\__
                      Last edited by Jishin; 07-29-2020, 02:51 PM.

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                      • Gareth
                        Member
                        • Jun 2020
                        • 219

                        #26
                        Perhaps this?

                        sunset.jpg

                        I took the picture on an evening run a few years ago.

                        Gassho,
                        Gareth
                        Sat today
                        Last edited by Gareth; 09-29-2020, 11:38 AM.

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                        • Jishin
                          Member
                          • Oct 2012
                          • 4821

                          #27
                          Originally posted by bad_buddha_007
                          Perhaps this?

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                          I took the picture on an evening run a few years ago.

                          Gassho,
                          Gareth
                          Sat today
                          Great!

                          Gassho, Jishin, __/stlah\__

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                          • Gareth
                            Member
                            • Jun 2020
                            • 219

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Jishin
                            Great!

                            Gassho, Jishin, __/stlah\__
                            Thanks - I liked the grapes picture too!

                            Gassho,
                            Gareth
                            Sat today

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                            • Tai Shi
                              Member
                              • Oct 2014
                              • 3425

                              #29


                              Gassho
                              sat / lah
                              Tai Shi


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                              Peaceful, Tai Shi. Ubasoku; calm, supportive, for positive poetry 優婆塞 台 婆

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                              • Jundo
                                Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                                • Apr 2006
                                • 40485

                                #30
                                I have moved a couple of the older photo threads into our new "Photography" space, where these beautiful images can have a new home.

                                Gassho, Jundo
                                STLah
                                ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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