The 24th of 108 Gates Of Dharma Illumination

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  • Shokai
    Treeleaf Priest
    • Mar 2009
    • 6394

    The 24th of 108 Gates Of Dharma Illumination

    Gate Twenty Four
    Read the following, place it in your heart and sleep on it. Then, tomorrow, live it until evening when you can leave a brief comment on what you may have received during the process.

    Veracity is a gate of Dharma illumination; for [with it] we do not deceive gods and human beings.

    By “Dharma Gate”, we mean a teaching or practice we can study to gain insights into the deepening our practice. It's a way to integrate our understanding of approaching reality.

    Veracity :
    Habitual observance of truth in speech or statement; truthfulness.

    Sawaki roshi said. "Unless you see the 'human' from Buddha's point of view, you'll never understand the truth." *

    Truth Telling**: The principle of veracity, or truth telling, requires that healthcare providers be honest in their interactions with patients. “Traditional ethics holds that it is simply wrong morally to lie to people, even if it is expedient to do so, even if a better outcome will come from a lie." According to this view, lying to people is morally wrong in that it shows lack of respect for them” Being honest with patients helps to build and maintain trusting relationships that are essential to the delivery of quality patient care. However, as with the other principles, telling the truth to a patient is not always viewed as the right thing to do. Although mainstream American culture holds honesty in high regard, other cultures do not. In fact, telling sick and dying people about their conditions, particularly in the case of terminal illness, can be seen as cruel and even harmful by certain ethnic and racial groups, The principle of truth telling is influenced, interpreted, and valued differently because of the backgrounds, education, and socioeconomic status of providers and patients.

    *The Zen Teaching of Homeless Kodo, Uchiyama & Okumura; 66pg189
    ** Principles of Ethics; Amy M. Haddad, PhD, RN, pg7 ; Link here

    Question: How does the above discourse on 'Truth Telling' conflict with the Buddhist concept of upāya, [expedient means} ?"

    Most note worthy replies :
    Right Speech and the corresponding precept of refraining from telling untruths are challenging enough for most of us, but I often find the more subtle aspects of being truthful to be even more difficult to navigate.
    Most Detrimental
    Are the lies
    I tell to myself

    合掌
    stlah
    Last edited by Shokai; 01-12-2022, 11:56 PM.
    合掌,生開
    gassho, Shokai

    仁道 生開 / Jindo Shokai

    "Open to life in a benevolent way"

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  • Nengyoku
    Member
    • Jun 2021
    • 536

    #2
    Thank you for being the warmth in my world.

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    • Tairin
      Member
      • Feb 2016
      • 2822

      #3
      Thank you Shokai


      Tairin
      Sat today and lah
      泰林 - Tai Rin - Peaceful Woods

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      • Anchi
        Member
        • Sep 2015
        • 556

        #4
        Life itself is the only teacher.
        一 Joko Beck


        STLah
        安知 Anchi

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        • aprapti
          Member
          • Jun 2017
          • 889

          #5

          hobo kore dojo / 歩歩是道場 / step, step, there is my place of practice

          Aprāpti (अप्राप्ति) non-attainment

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          • Juki
            Member
            • Dec 2012
            • 771

            #6


            Juki
            sat today and lah
            "First you have to give up." Tyler Durden

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            • Nengyoku
              Member
              • Jun 2021
              • 536

              #7
              In sitting Zazen we place our trust in the idea that we are sitting as a buddha. A buddha does not see anything other than what is, far beyond divisive thoughts of what "could be" or "should be" or "might be".

              Veracity is not limited to just not telling lies. Or rather, lying is telling anything other than what really is. Creating ideas of things other than how they are, and spreading them like fire.

              Veracity is a gate of Dharma Illumination because a Buddha does not fan the fires of mistruth.

              Gassho,
              William
              Sat
              Thank you for being the warmth in my world.

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              • Shokai
                Treeleaf Priest
                • Mar 2009
                • 6394

                #8
                Veracity is a gate of Dharma Illumination because a Buddha does not fan the fires of mistruth.


                合掌
                stlah
                合掌,生開
                gassho, Shokai

                仁道 生開 / Jindo Shokai

                "Open to life in a benevolent way"

                https://sarushinzendo.wordpress.com/

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                • Gregor
                  Member
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 638

                  #9
                  I don't think there is a conflict. I cannot think of an situarion where being dishonest with a patient about their condition is in there best interest. In the Behavioral Health realm there may be some benefit in not overdiagnosing or heavily focusing on a diagnosis that the patient can become fixated on ( in certain cases) but that would not change the therapy or medication that is needed being offered.

                  Just like in any interactions we want to be honest but we don't want clobber someone with a difficult truth we need to meet them where they are and share it in a moment where they can be receptive and safe.

                  Gassho,

                  Greg
                  ST


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                  Jukai '09 Dharma Name: Shinko 慎重(Prudent Calm)

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