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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 40713

    #61
    Originally posted by michaelw
    Is there a recomended bpm for chanting?
    I want to start chanting rather than just reading off the page.
    I can use a metronome to count the beats that way I can be up to speed
    when I get a chance to sit with others.

    gassho
    M
    sat
    Hmmm. I am not the musicologist around here, but I might suggest just to listen to the Ceremony during any of our weekly and monthly Treeleaf Zazenkai, such as this one ...

    Today we will again walk through the Door of the Vimalakirti Sutra (text below in this thread) Please sit our Monthly 4-Hour Treeleaf Zazenkai netcast LIVE 8am to noon Japan time Saturday morning (that is New York 7pm to 11pm, Los Angeles 4pm to 8pm (Friday night), London midnight to 4am and Paris 1am to 5am (early Saturday


    ... and just to copy the beat. I feel it is okay if it is a little faster or slower, as even different Sangha or Chanters tend to vary a bit.

    Gassho, Jundo
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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    • Shonin Risa Bear
      Member
      • Apr 2019
      • 923

      #62
      Current "morning service" at the hut. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1O5Y...ew?usp=sharing

      Rotates Genjokoan, Sandokai, Jewel Mirror, Fukanzazengi as the long chant.

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      gassho
      ds sat, some lah
      Visiting priest: use salt

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      • Bion
        Senior Priest-in-Training
        • Aug 2020
        • 4797

        #63
        Originally posted by Shōnin Risa Bear
        Current "morning service" at the hut. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1O5Y...ew?usp=sharing

        Rotates Genjokoan, Sandokai, Jewel Mirror, Fukanzazengi as the long chant.

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        gassho
        ds sat, some lah
        I sooooo love the hut! And I’m especially fond of its dweller! [emoji3526]

        [emoji1374] Sat Today
        "Stepping back with open hands, is thoroughly comprehending life and death. Immediately you can sparkle and respond to the world." - Hongzhi

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        • Bion
          Senior Priest-in-Training
          • Aug 2020
          • 4797

          #64
          Originally posted by michaelw
          Is there a recomended bpm for chanting?
          I want to start chanting rather than just reading off the page.
          I can use a metronome to count the beats that way I can be up to speed
          when I get a chance to sit with others.

          gassho
          M
          sat
          I am a chanter and I have to say, I like to start it off quite slow and steady, just to harmonize breath and sound and be mindful about each syllable and I like my chanting to be powerful and uniform. Certain chants, like the Heart Sutra, actually gain speed as we do them so we start with one tempo and end up faster! I say, follow your breath and body and completely pour yourself into every sound, syllable and knock. Like Jundo said, It does help to observe ceremonies and learn from there first. [emoji3526]

          [emoji1374] Sat Today
          "Stepping back with open hands, is thoroughly comprehending life and death. Immediately you can sparkle and respond to the world." - Hongzhi

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          • michaelw
            Member
            • Feb 2022
            • 260

            #65
            Originally posted by Bion
            I am a chanter and I have to say, I like to start it off quite slow and steady, just to harmonize breath and sound and be mindful about each syllable and I like my chanting to be powerful and uniform. Certain chants, like the Heart Sutra, actually gain speed as we do them so we start with one tempo and end up faster! I say, follow your breath and body and completely pour yourself into every sound, syllable and knock. Like Jundo said, It does help to observe ceremonies and learn from there first. [emoji3526]

            [emoji1374] Sat Today
            Bion

            Thanks for your reply.
            I overlooked the change in tempo.
            I have never found a metronome that could keep time anyway - (humour).

            Thinking back to my choir days we were encouraged to 'breath the Psalms not sing them at the top of your voice'.
            I will try that as I work with the chants book.

            gassho
            M

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            • Rowan

              #66
              On Kinhin - Bernie Glassman Roshi, when he first started, asked about the practice of kinhin. The roshi referred the question to his attendant student (who was Taizan Maezumi) who said "when we walk, we just walk". As for the gear and sounds and gestures and words - for some people these can be a comfort and a support, a peaceful place in an often chaotic and even frightening world, and comfort and support matter, because feelings matter. PS - I had a VERY stresssful task and found myself firmly chanting the four vows al the way through it - it definitely got me through this.

              rowan/jinho
              ST / LAH
              Last edited by Guest; 05-15-2022, 05:14 AM.

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              • Seiko
                Novice Priest-in-Training
                • Jul 2020
                • 1077

                #67
                Originally posted by Jundo

                'Liturgy' means the many acts and rituals by which we manifest (and are manifested by) the beliefs and teachings at the heart of Buddhist Practice.
                On the ZPO course, lately the teachers have been encouraging us to adopt "The Gate of Sweet Nectar" liturgy. I know this is not traditional and not something we do at Treeleaf, but perhaps I will include it in my home practice. Maybe a simple version rather than the whole ceremony. Is that ok?

                Gasshō
                Seiko
                stlah
                Gandō Seiko
                頑道清光
                (Stubborn Way of Pure Light)

                My street name is 'Al'.

                Any words I write here are merely the thoughts of an apprentice priest, just my opinions, that's all.

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                • Jundo
                  Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                  • Apr 2006
                  • 40713

                  #68
                  Originally posted by Seiko
                  On the ZPO course, lately the teachers have been encouraging us to adopt "The Gate of Sweet Nectar" liturgy. I know this is not traditional and not something we do at Treeleaf, but perhaps I will include it in my home practice. Maybe a simple version rather than the whole ceremony. Is that ok?

                  Gasshō
                  Seiko
                  stlah
                  If it resonates with you, in your own home, please do. I know that Bernie Glassman was into that.

                  Gassho, Jundo

                  stlah
                  Last edited by Jundo; 02-07-2023, 01:11 AM.
                  ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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                  • Shinshi
                    Senior Priest-in-Training
                    • Jul 2010
                    • 3717

                    #69
                    Originally posted by Jundo
                    If it resonates with you, in your own home, please do. I know that Bernie Glassman was into that.

                    Gassho, Jundo

                    stlah
                    If I recall correctly they also recite it at Upaya during their version of the New Moon ceremony.

                    Gassho, Shinshi

                    SaT-LaH
                    Last edited by Jundo; 02-07-2023, 01:11 AM.
                    空道 心志 Kudo Shinshi

                    For Zen students a weed is a treasure. With this attitude, whatever you do, life becomes an art.
                    ​— Shunryu Suzuki

                    E84I - JAJ

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                    • Bion
                      Senior Priest-in-Training
                      • Aug 2020
                      • 4797

                      #70
                      Originally posted by Shinshi
                      If I recall correctly they also recite it at Upaya during their version of the New Moon ceremony.

                      Gassho, Shinshi

                      SaT-LaH
                      It’s definitely also part of the short version of the Soto Scriptures for Daily Practice and Upaya have a chant book for it as well. [emoji1]

                      [emoji1374] Sat today
                      "Stepping back with open hands, is thoroughly comprehending life and death. Immediately you can sparkle and respond to the world." - Hongzhi

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                      • aprapti
                        Member
                        • Jun 2017
                        • 889

                        #71
                        Originally posted by Bion
                        It’s definitely also part of the short version of the Soto Scriptures for Daily Practice and Upaya have a chant book for it as well. [emoji1]

                        [emoji1374] Sat today
                        and this is on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlZCOLc7TcA (Upaya and Bernie Glassman)


                        aprapti

                        sat

                        hobo kore dojo / 歩歩是道場 / step, step, there is my place of practice

                        Aprāpti (अप्राप्ति) non-attainment

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                        • Jundo
                          Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 40713

                          #72
                          Here is why we will not chant "The Gate of Sweet Nectar" within Treeleaf, however ...

                          One aspect that I can appreciate about Bernie Glassman's version is this: He changed the focus from feeding the 'Hungry Ghosts' who are other-worldly beings, literal "ghosts," often family Ancestors, who are suffering in a kind of other-worldly purgatory after death due to their insatiable desires ...

                          ... to feeding the hungry, poor and homeless in this world, building a Pure Land on earth, although he subtly rephrased the ceremony to speak of all the hungry everywhere. That is something which resonates more in my heart, frankly.

                          The official translation in English by Soto-shu reads:

                          Giving rise to the thought of awakening, we present a vessel of pure food, offering it to all the hungry ghosts in every country of the innumerable lands in the dharma realm throughout all space in the ten directions. Please come and gather here, you departed long ago, and all spirits, from earth gods of mountains and rivers to demons and wraiths of barren wastes. Taking pity on you all, with this food we feed you now. ... We also pray that your bodies, conveyed by this dharani-food, may leave suffering behind and gain liberation; that you may attain the joy of birth in heavens; that you may, in accordance with your wishes, be delivered to one of the pure lands in the ten directions ... with the prayer that together with all sentient beings we may quickly attain buddhahood and not seek any other rewards.
                          Bernie changed the words quite a bit, avoiding the overt references to rebirth in other realms, wraiths and spirits:

                          Raising the Bodhi Mind, the supreme meal is offered to all the hungry spirits throughout space and time, filling the smallest particle to the largest space. All you hungry spirits in the ten directions, please gather here. Sharing your distress, I offer you this food, hoping it will resolve your thirsts and hungers. I pray that all who receive this offering will return its merits to all Buddhas and to all creations throughout space and time, in this way they will be thoroughly satisfied. I further pray that in receiving this meal all your sufferings will be eliminated, and that you will be liberated, so that being joyously reborn you will play freely in the fields of the Pure Land. Raising the Bodhi Mind and practicing the Enlightened Way, you become the future Buddhas without any further regress.
                          HOWEVER ... from that point, the ceremony is then filled with about a dozen magical Dharani to help accomplish the task, naked sounds said to have power akin to "abra-cadabra," which I will avoid around this Sangha. No hocus-pocus "open sesame" on my watch!

                          Here is just one, accompanied by clashing symbols and blowing conch shell horns:

                          Dharani for Inviting the Cloudlike Hosts of Spirits (Unshū kijin chōshō darani 雲集鬼神招請陀羅尼)
                          [Chinese, chant 3 times]
                          ◎ No bo bohori gyari tari ▲3 tatā gyataya.
                          It is literally "hocus-pocus" nonsense, a potion and incantation.

                          This is why we will not do this Ceremony here.

                          I am all for a Ceremony of care for the hungry, poor and homeless.

                          However, we will not chant "ugga chaka ugga chaka" and "Salagadoola mechicka boola bibbidi-bobbidi-boo" in order to realize that goal.

                          Do as you wish in the privacy of of your own home, chant "ding a lingo ling" or "molar manifestus" to summon the tooth fairy if you want in your own bedroom, but we do not do so at Treeleaf.

                          Not in these Halls! Not on my watch!



                          Gassho, J

                          PS - I have added the above to the "About the Dharani we DON'T chant at Treeleaf" thread (LINK) that is part of our "About our Treeleaf Chants" series (LINK).
                          Last edited by Jundo; 02-07-2023, 03:02 AM.
                          ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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                          • Shinshi
                            Senior Priest-in-Training
                            • Jul 2010
                            • 3717

                            #73
                            Thank you Jundo, that makes perfect sense.

                            Gassho, Shinshi

                            SaT-LaH
                            空道 心志 Kudo Shinshi

                            For Zen students a weed is a treasure. With this attitude, whatever you do, life becomes an art.
                            ​— Shunryu Suzuki

                            E84I - JAJ

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                            • Ankai
                              Novice Priest-in-Training
                              • Nov 2007
                              • 1019

                              #74
                              My at home stuff...

                              My own at home liturgy, which I really just think of more as my morning affirmations, remains rather basic..

                              In the morning, before Zazen,

                              - until enlightenment I take refuge in the Buddha and the Dharma and the Sangha. (3x)

                              - a modified form of the "four immeasurables;"
                              "May all be healthy, may all be prosperous, may all be well.
                              May all be present without past regret or future worry.
                              May all dwell in constant appreciation, which is the source of great joy and contentment.
                              May all know their true nature, and the true nature of reality, which is Awakening."

                              -From Shantideva's, "Way of the Bodhisattva,"

                              "For as long as space endures and as long as living beings remain, until then, May I too abide, to dispel the misery of the world."


                              In the evening, following my nightly meditation, I recite the verse of atonement and the four vows.

                              Sat today.
                              -Karl
                              Gassho!
                              護道 安海


                              -Godo Ankai

                              I'm still just starting to learn. I'm not a teacher. Please don't take anything I say too seriously. I already take myself too seriously!

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                              • DGF
                                Member
                                • Feb 2022
                                • 118

                                #75
                                Thank you Jundo,

                                For the clear reminder

                                Gassho
                                Diana
                                Satlah

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