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  • peter.goettler
    Member
    • Apr 2019
    • 17

    Oryoki-Bowls

    Dear friends of treeleave zendo,

    I have a question regarding oryoki-bowls. Does it have a background that they are mostly black?
    I made oryoki bowls for myself, and for members of our sangha here in berlin from earthenware myself. They are dark gray or natural / dark brown. That's OK for us.
    How important is it to you that the shells are black?

    Thanks for the attention, gassho,
    Peter
  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 39271

    #2
    Originally posted by peter.goettler
    Dear friends of treeleave zendo,

    I have a question regarding oryoki-bowls. Does it have a background that they are mostly black?
    I made oryoki bowls for myself, and for members of our sangha here in berlin from earthenware myself. They are dark gray or natural / dark brown. That's OK for us.
    How important is it to you that the shells are black?

    Thanks for the attention, gassho,
    Peter
    Well, "in Japan," if it is the "official" style that would be used for monks in monastic training, they would be black lacquer over wood, with very special design (such as the fact that the large "Buddha Bowl" has a round bottom so needs to sit in a little stand that looks like a tiny dish) .... see pictures below ...

    But you are not in Japan, yes? And they are for lay folks? So, in my mind, they can be any "broken color" (a natural or dark brown or gray, for example) much like a Rakusu. We don't use a bright color for the same reason, as too sensory stimulating.

    However, every Sangha is different. Some are trying to be very "orthodox" and "more Japanese than the Japanese." Others are more flexible. So, you have to ask the Teacher of that particular Sangha. Do as he/she feels best.

    Even in Japan, for lay folks outside the monastery, the Oryoki bowls come in many colors ... scroll down here ...



    Here, by the way, we make them out of items around the house.

    I know I've seen it somewhere, but I just can't find it [confused]- ages ago I saw a thread where folk were talking about putting their own sets together - there was also a great Jundo video on the same subject. Can anyone point me in the right direction? I've found bowls, but I need some info about the cloths, sizes etc.


    Gassho, Jundo

    STLAH



    This is a picture of the full, Soto set. Rinzai is a bit different ...

    Last edited by Jundo; 05-04-2019, 03:16 AM.
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    • peter.goettler
      Member
      • Apr 2019
      • 17

      #3
      Thank you Jundo!


      To use things around the house is a really nice idea.
      Here's an example of the ones I made.


      Gassho,
      Peter

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      • Jundo
        Treeleaf Founder and Priest
        • Apr 2006
        • 39271

        #4
        Originally posted by peter.goettler
        Thank you Jundo!


        To use things around the house is a really nice idea.
        Here's an example of the ones I made.


        Gassho,
        Peter

        sat
        Beautiful!

        Do you make much pottery?

        Gassho, J

        STLah
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        • peter.goettler
          Member
          • Apr 2019
          • 17

          #5
          Hello Jundo,

          per se, I studied visual arts, but there was a basic workshop in pottery too. At the moment I manufacture oryoki-bowls for the sangha here ( trying to expand the offer, therefore the above question ...) and planting ceramics for my girlfriend, who is gardener .
          On https://www.3schalen.de ( which means 3 bowls -.-) you can see a little bit. Thank you for your interest!

          Gassho,
          Peter

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          • Meitou
            Member
            • Feb 2017
            • 1656

            #6
            Beautiful work Peter!
            Gassho
            Meitou
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            • Shugen
              Treeleaf Unsui
              • Nov 2007
              • 4535

              #7
              Very nice Peter!

              Gassho,

              Shugen

              Sattoday/LAH


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              • Washin
                Treeleaf Unsui
                • Dec 2014
                • 3753

                #8
                Lovely bowls, Peter!

                Gassho
                Washin
                st-lah
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                Washin (和信) Harmony Trust
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                and should be taken with a 'grain of salt'.

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                • peter.goettler
                  Member
                  • Apr 2019
                  • 17

                  #9
                  Thank you Washin, thank you Shugen, thank you Meitou,

                  my heart leaps a bit when I read the recognition.

                  I've only now noticed that there is a separate thread just about oryoki on treeleave. Much is new to me, for example, that the Buddha bowl should be round at the bottom.
                  In contrast, I once made a set that even has a "pronounced foot". I thought I'm doing something in Far Eastern style. Maybe it should rather be called artistic fantasy.

                  Gassho,
                  Peter
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                  • Junkyo
                    Member
                    • Jun 2018
                    • 262

                    #10
                    Originally posted by peter.goettler
                    Thank you Washin, thank you Shugen, thank you Meitou,

                    my heart leaps a bit when I read the recognition.

                    I've only now noticed that there is a separate thread just about oryoki on treeleave. Much is new to me, for example, that the Buddha bowl should be round at the bottom.
                    In contrast, I once made a set that even has a "pronounced foot". I thought I'm doing something in Far Eastern style. Maybe it should rather be called artistic fantasy.

                    Gassho,
                    Peter
                    Wow those a beautiful bowls Peter!

                    I got my set from www.stillsitting.com when a friend was ordering a set. He offered to order a set for me as well. Perhaps in the future I will get a set of bowls from you!


                    Gassho,

                    Junkyo
                    SAT


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                    • peter.goettler
                      Member
                      • Apr 2019
                      • 17

                      #11
                      Hello Junkyo,

                      I know Sarah from stillsitting. She once asked me if my bowls are suitable for wholesale. I had to tell her that I work alone and I can not make the necessary quantities. Finally, the shipment of large quantities of stoneware seemed them too risky too.

                      Most bowls that I make are not posted on the internet. I give them to the members of the Sangha for a donation. So it is here with the friends of AkazienZendo Berlin. If you want to have bowls someday, just ask me what I have in the house right now. All members of the Sangha are always welcome.

                      Enclosed an impression of today's work ... go sit right now.

                      Gassho,
                      Peter
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                      • Jundo
                        Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                        • Apr 2006
                        • 39271

                        #12
                        I will say that, for our Oryoki lessons here at Treeleaf, and in order to really do things "right" ...



                        ... I do favor having or making a kit that has all the pieces ... the placemat, the "waterboard," little nesting items, for example ... rather than a simplified or abbreviated kit. Even to pretend that the "Buddha Bowl" has a round bottom, and to put a "holder" underneath to support it. Otherwise, it is like playing Scrabble without all the letters, piano without the black keys, or baseball with 2 bases (is that what Cricket is? ) Yes, now is your chance to finally learn chop sticks if you struggle with those ... no forks (absent true medical need).

                        First, they are easy to make (a placemat can be a piece of folded child's construction paper, for example, and a water board any piece of wood of right size). Second, if one is going to learn the ballet, then learn the ballet. Oryoki is a form of ballet.

                        You can see in my photos above all the missing pieces.

                        Even the "made at home" kit we use at Treeleaf from "stuff around the house" has all the pieces.

                        Gassho, Jundo the Oryoki Referee

                        STLAH

                        PS - Here, by the way, is the full nesting Soto style set. The smallest dish, at the bottom right, is actually the stand on which the round bottom Buddha Bowl rests. They all fit together when wrapped. The long stick next to the long handled spoon and chopsticks is the cleaner, and there is a special way to fasten a cotton end at the bottom (although here, I am fine with medical gauze or the like being substituted)



                        You can see the white tip of the cleaning stick, and the placemat, here ...

                        Last edited by Jundo; 05-05-2019, 11:20 PM.
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                        • Souchi
                          Member
                          • Jan 2017
                          • 324

                          #13
                          Very nice bowls, thanks for sharing pictures of your pottery!

                          Gassho
                          Souchi

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                          • peter.goettler
                            Member
                            • Apr 2019
                            • 17

                            #14
                            Thank you Souchi,

                            greetings from Berlin to the south.

                            Gassho,
                            Peter

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                            • Jakuden
                              Member
                              • Jun 2015
                              • 6142

                              #15
                              There is something about your handmade bowls, Peter, that makes them especially beautiful. It must be the love and generosity that goes into them. Deep bows!

                              Gassho
                              Jakuden
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