Ecodharma: large companies are failing to meet claims of carbon reduction (article)

[Kokuu]

Many large companies are keen to stress their committment to massively cutting their carbon emmissions, and may well experience a PR boost from doing so. However, the rhetoric is far more impressive than the action being taken in almost all cases and we need to hold them to account.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/feb/06/amazon-ikea-nestle-biggest-carbon-net-zero-claims

Gassho
Kokuu
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[Jishin]

Many large companies are keen to stress their committment to massively cutting their carbon emmissions, and may well experience a PR boost from doing so. However, the rhetoric is far more impressive than the action being taken in almost all cases and we need to hold them to account.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/feb/06/amazon-ikea-nestle-biggest-carbon-net-zero-claims

Gassho
Kokuu
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True. Big companies could do better. We could also do better in acknowledging the wonders of the industrial revolution. Prior to the industrial revolution life expectancy was around 35...

Gassho, Jishin, ST, LAH

[Kokuu]

True. Big companies could do better. We could also do better in acknowledging the wonders of the industrial revolution. Prior to the industrial revolution life expectancy was around 35...

That is a fair point, Jishin.

I think we can both acknowledge the wonders of the industrial revolution and the issues that come from overconsumption. It seems to me to be steering a middle way.

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Kokuu
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[Jishin]

That is a fair point, Jishin.

I think we can both acknowledge the wonders of the industrial revolution and the issues that come from overconsumption. It seems to me to be steering a middle way.

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Kokuu
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[Ryumon]

True. Big companies could do better. We could also do better in acknowledging the wonders of the industrial revolution. Prior to the industrial revolution life expectancy was around 35...

Life expectancy, is, of course, an average, and not how long people can expect to live. The biggest change to life expectancy has nothing to do with the industrial revolution, but rather with improved health care, notably for children. What kept life expectancy low for so long was infant mortality.

This, from Wikipedia, is something that most people don't understand:

Life expectancy increases with age as the individual survives the higher mortality rates associated with childhood. For instance, the table gives the life expectancy at birth among 13th-century English nobles at 30. Having survived to the age of 21, a male member of the English aristocracy in this period could expect to live:

1200–1300: to age 64
1300–1400: to age 45 (because of the bubonic plague)
1400–1500: to age 69
1500–1550: to age 71

Gassho,

Ryūmon (Kirk)

sat

[Jishin]

Life expectancy, is, of course, an average, and not how long people can expect to live. The biggest change to life expectancy has nothing to do with the industrial revolution, but rather with improved health care, notably for children. What kept life expectancy low for so long was infant mortality.

This, from Wikipedia, is something that most people don't understand:

Life expectancy increases with age as the individual survives the higher mortality rates associated with childhood. For instance, the table gives the life expectancy at birth among 13th-century English nobles at 30. Having survived to the age of 21, a male member of the English aristocracy in this period could expect to live:

1200–1300: to age 64
1300–1400: to age 45 (because of the bubonic plague)
1400–1500: to age 69
1500–1550: to age 71

Gassho,

Ryūmon (Kirk)

sat

Industrialization has led to improved health care of children leading to lower mortality rates.

Gassho, Jishin, ST, LAH

[Ryumon]

Not really.

https://www.icis.com/chemicals-and-the-economy/2015/02/rising-life-expectancy-enabled-industrial-revolution-to-occur/

If anything, it’s germ theory that improved infant mortality.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germ_theory_of_disease

Gassho,
Ryūmon
Sat

[Jishin]

Not really.

https://www.icis.com/chemicals-and-the-economy/2015/02/rising-life-expectancy-enabled-industrial-revolution-to-occur/

If anything, it’s germ theory that improved infant mortality.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germ_theory_of_disease

Gassho,
Ryūmon
Sat

Industrialization allowed germ theory to be circulated.

Gassho, Jishin, ST, LAH

[Juki]

What difference does it make if industrialization increased average life span if its end result is extinction. Talk about a pyrrhic victory.

Gassho
Juki
sat today and lah

[Jishin]

Ecodharma: large companies are failing to meet claims of carbon reduction (article)

What difference does it make if industrialization increased average life span if its end result is extinction. Talk about a pyrrhic victory.

Gassho
Juki
sat today and lah

I propose we all sell all of our possesions, take a 3 month survivalist course and move to the Amazon for 3 years. Upon returning to the industrialized world we will be able to more accurately assess the benefits and costs of living in such society (if we are alive).

Gassho, Jishin, ST, LAH

[Kaisui]

I propose we all sell all of our possesions, take a 3 month survivalist course and move to the Amazon for 3 years. Upon returning to the industrialized world we will be able to more accurately assess the benefits and costs of living in such society (if we are alive).

Gassho, Jishin, ST, LAH

Hmm, yes we would appreciate the benefit of industralization to our individual lives more after spending 3 years in personal danger, but would we better be able to weigh up the overall costs and risks to the planet? And even so, might there be any other less intense ways to achieve this (or is my resistance to doing this part of the point..)?

Gassho,
Kaisui
st

[Tairin]

Yes Jishin… the Industrial Revolution brought about amazing changes to human society. Let’s just hope we survive its legacy.

I am not surprised at all to hear that companies’ claims to be achieving carbon neutrality are falling short. Let’s face it. Companies exist primarily to make profit for their owners. Claims of carbon neutrality are mostly a publicity stunt with a goal of achieving something without impacting profits.


Tairin
Sat today and lah

[Jishin]

Yes Jishin… the Industrial Revolution brought about amazing changes to human society. Let’s just hope we survive its legacy.

I am not surprised at all to hear that companies’ claims to be achieving carbon neutrality are falling short. Let’s face it. Companies exist primarily to make profit for their owners. Claims of carbon neutrality are mostly a publicity stunt with a goal of achieving something without impacting profits.


Tairin
Sat today and lah

It’s sad but I predict no more humans in 500 years.

Gassho, Jishin, ST, LAH

[Doshin]

Yes Jishin… the Industrial Revolution brought about amazing changes to human society. Let’s just hope we survive its legacy.



Tairin
Sat today and lah

Yes. Many species have not survived the Industrial Revolution

Doshin
St

[Kokuu]

It’s sad but I predict no more humans in 500 years.

I think 500 years is quite optimistic.

And, as Doshin points out, many other species have already gone as a result of our actions, and plenty more are on the brink.

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Kokuu
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