The Zen Master's Dance - 23 - King of Samadhis (Top of p. 84 to End of Chapter)

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 43990

    The Zen Master's Dance - 23 - King of Samadhis (Top of p. 84 to End of Chapter)

    Dear Sitters, Cross Legged and Other Ways,

    We will finish the chapter "Samadhi That Is The King Of Samadhis," from the top of p. 84 ("The Buddha Shakyamuni addressed a great assembly ... ") until the end of the chapter.

    Today, we will look at this big finish of the chapter, about Samadhi and "Cross-Legged Sitting."

    Shikantaza is a wisely-strange animal, in which we regularly attain the calm and clarity, lightness and wisdom of Samadhi, but specifically by not running after Samadhi. This Samadhi is found when we put down all the effort and chasing. As well, we uphold the goodness of Zazen even when no particular Samadhi state occurs. I wrote this in an essay to explain a bit:

    So, what is the place of ... deep samadhi states in Shikantaza, the "Just Sitting Which Hits the Mark," the way of Zazen which is the centerpiece of Soto practice?

    The answer is that we cherish and celebrate such states, honor ... and welcome samadhi when samadhi comes. However, we believe that samadhi which emerges from anything but an attitude of radical goallessness simply feeds the very hunger and thirst for gain that is the root of Dukkha suffering. It becomes one more pleasure and treasure to chase after and enjoy. It is this very hunt and hunger that we need to drop away in the grand equanimity and fulfillment of liberation.

    So many schools of meditation make levels of concentration and spiritual attainment but more rungs to reach, finish lines to cross, payoffs to earn, prizes to stive for. It is literally "self-defeating," as the little self's very own hunger and hunting, reaching and striving is, in fact, the source of the very suffering from which it seeks relief.

    Our solution to this dilemma in Shikantaza is to drop, to the marrow, all hunting and reaching, except for sitting itself for sitting's sake! Zazen must be good for nothing but sitting! Then, sitting itself is the treasure attained, sitting itself is the goal reached, all just by sitting. Without such radical goallessness and foresaking of all cravings for goals, meditation becomes another ploy to feed never ending, self-created feelings of human lack.

    ... For us Soto Zen folks, deep and pleasant samadhi will emerge in our Zazen, just as in the other schools of meditation, and it is wondrous! It is like an unsolicited treasure, for it arises right from our giving up of all need for finding, much like a door which unlocks only when we stop struggling to unlock it! The very act of dropping all need to turn the key leads to the door springing open! Such unsolicited samadhi is glorious!

    In fact, EVERYTHING is glorious!

    Everything is glorious because, in our equanimity, we equally honor and welcome as wondrous all the moments of Zazen without samadhi too! Both samadhi and the absence of samadhi are wondrous, and the total face of Zen samadhi! So many meditators make the mistake of thinking their meditation "good" only when they feel good and get what they want. In fact, Zazen is ALWAYS good ... both when it feels good and even when not, when we want just what we get.

    Why?

    It is something like saying that Shikantaza folks know the presence of the moon, not only on those clear and bright nights when the moon shines brightly, but also on the darkest and cloudiest nights. Only radical dropping of hunger to experience the moon can lead to a profound moon awareness which knows the moon both seen and unseen. We see the moon even on moonless nights, although not with the eyes. Then, on those cloudless evenings when the moon reveals itself in its fullness, and also on the nights when not, our trust is rewarded: The moon is always shining, seen or unseen.

    Samadhi comes and samadhi goes, and we celebrate such coming and such going. True Zen samadhi is always present, whether come or gone, beyond coming and going.

    So deep, this samadhi cannot be fathomed.
    I also say that, although Master Dogen keeps talking about the "cross-legged posture" in this section, that is mostly because that is the typical way that monks sat. While cross-legged posture is a wonderful, balanced and stable way to sit for those who can, and contributes to a balanced and stable mind, it is NOT the case that only the cross-legged Lotus posture works some physiological magic that other stable and balanced, comfortable postures (e.g., chair or seiza bench sitting) cannot. What is more, I take Master Dogen's meaning actually to be that the ACT of Zazen, not the physical posture, is somehow complete, sacred and wondrous.

    Questions (please respond without looking at others' responses first):

    1 - Do you feel that you have ever experienced Samadhi in Zazen? If so, please do your best to express the experience in words.

    2 - Do you think that you are really getting the message that Zazen is itself a sacred, special, complete and wonderous act, not a tool to dig out some reward? (And that that is the reward! ) How would you express it?

    Gassho, Jundo

    STLah
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE
  • Koriki
    Novice Priest-in-Training
    • Apr 2022
    • 697

    #2
    1 - Do you feel that you have ever experienced Samadhi in Zazen? If so, please do your best to express the experience in words.

    Only briefly. Usually just moments of no particular thought and time passing more quickly.

    2 - Do you think that you are really getting the message that Zazen is itself a sacred, special, complete and wonderous act, not a tool to dig out some reward? (And that that is the reward! ) How would you express it?

    As much as I would like to change it, I am a person that likes to get things done. I think that I am making inroads into that delusion, but I also believe that my brain just likes to solve problems. It's like a calculator that just does it's particular function and doesn't know how to do otherwise. So, when I sit it becomes somewhat of a defiant act towards my striving mind. A protest to my self that sees it's worth based on what can be accomplished in life. A counter to the self that wants to know things and thinks that knowing is a form of mastering reality. So yes, I see that as a sacred act.

    Gassho,
    Koriki
    s@lah

    Comment

    • Hokuu
      Member
      • Apr 2023
      • 191

      #3
      1 - Do you feel that you have ever experienced Samadhi in Zazen? If so, please do your best to express the experience in words.
      I understand that "samadhi" is one of these loaded terms that has been interpreted and reinterpreted by different schools and people for centuries. If "samadhi" is understood as an altered state of consciousness (not much different from trance), I think I experienced it a few times. If it's understood as just an awareness of being itself or the interconnectedness of all things, I think I experienced it a few times. If it's understood as just being, I think I experienced it a few times.
      Were any of these experiences profound enough to change me forever, to tear me down and rebuild my self (sic!)? No, but I don't think that that's the goal anyway - in the end, we're the fog people, not sea people

      2 - Do you think that you are really getting the message that Zazen is itself a sacred, special, complete and wonderous act, not a tool to dig out some reward? (And that that is the reward! ) How would you express it?
      Recently, I've been thinking about how I'm not generally seeing Zazen as a means to achieve something, but rather as part of a morning ritual. And I feel that this being part of a morning ritual isn't, in fact, too far from Zazen being perceived as a means to an end. If it's just a ritual, a custom, there is no life in it either, I guess.
      I like to remember that story when a student asked a teacher how to become Buddha, and the teacher replied, "What does the mountain do to become a mountain?"

      Gassho
      Hokuu
      satlah
      歩空​ (Hokuu)
      歩 = Walk / 空 = Sky (or Emptiness)
      "Moving through life with the freedom of walking through open sky"

      Comment

      • Jundo
        Treeleaf Founder and Priest
        • Apr 2006
        • 43990

        #4
        I like to remember that story when a student asked a teacher how to become Buddha, and the teacher replied, "What does the mountain do to become a mountain?"
        It is a great story (something I would think because I say stuff like that all the time! ) Do you remember where it is from? I wonder whether Dogen said anything like that in Sansuikyo (Mountains and Waters Sutra) in Shobogenzo or the like? Hmmm. I did find this in "Sound of the Stream, Form of the Mountain" (Keisei sanshoku) ...

        Chan Master Changsha Jingcen was asked by a monk, “How does one
        turn the mountains, rivers, and the whole earth back to the self?”’

        The Master said, “How does one turn the self back to the mountains,
        rivers, and the whole earth?”

        [Dogen comments] This saying means that the self is naturally the self, that while “the
        self’ may be “the mountains, rivers, and the whole earth,” it should not
        be obstructed by “returning.”



        Gassho, J
        stlah
        ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

        Comment

        • Hokuu
          Member
          • Apr 2023
          • 191

          #5
          Hi Jundo,
          Up to this day I was absolutely sure I had heard this story somewhere. It must be some Mandela effect - I tries to find it now but couldn't, LLMs didn't help either.

          In any case, in my head, the story goes like this:
          A young student comes to ao old master and asks, "Master, what should I do to become Buddha?"
          The master replies, "Do you see the mountain over there?"
          The student says, "Yes, master".
          And the master asks, "What does the mountain do to become mountain?"
          I use it to explain what's zazen if asked.

          Gassho
          Hokuu
          satlah
          歩空​ (Hokuu)
          歩 = Walk / 空 = Sky (or Emptiness)
          "Moving through life with the freedom of walking through open sky"

          Comment

          • Furyu
            Member
            • Jul 2023
            • 345

            #6

            I can relate to "open spacious awareness", as you say in the book. I know what it feels like when zazen is open and easy and effortless effort, all gates are open and the guests come and go freely (something like that) - but zazen is not always like that. Truly, I don't really think about samadhi, or enlightenment - even less about trying to grasp it somehow. I sit to sit and that is sufficient and complete. I don't know whether it's in the skin or the marrow, but I get the sacredness to some degree. I certainly think of sitting as a sacred act. I view my home office as my temple during that time, I act as if in a zendo, I have ritual and bowing. I create sacred space for a sacred practice. Not seeking, sitting is the road and the destination to nowhere.

            Gasshō
            sat-lah
            Fūryū
            風流​ - Fūryū - wind flow


            Comment

            Working...