The Zen Master's Dance - 2 - How To Read Dogen (to p. 12)

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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 40466

    The Zen Master's Dance - 2 - How To Read Dogen (to p. 12)

    Hi Dogenites,

    We will continue our Dance this week with the chapter called "How To Read Dogen," up to the middle of page 12 (for our e-readers, stopping before the section "And Thus This Book").

    In this section, I describe how it is necessary to understand some basic Buddhism or Mahayana Buddhist teachings, and then how Dogen wilds up the language and images to express the teachings in new light, never leaving the teaching but bringing forth new dimensions through his playful game (sometimes with intended results, but with sometimes unexpected revelations that just pop out of his words). I give an example from the Lotus Sutra in the book, about a flying Pagoda (I know that some people don't care for the fancifulness of the Lotus, but I often tell folks that, like Star Wars, Lord of the Rings or Willy Wonka's tale of good and bad kids, the wild imagery is just a vehicle to describe something fantastically fantastic!).

    Here is another section of the Lotus Sutra, a pretty straight parable about someone who has a wonderful treasure within (his "Buddha Nature" or original enlightenment) but just does not know it:


    Suppose there were a man who came to the house of a close friend and went to sleep after becoming intoxicated with wine. The
    intimate friend, having to go out on official business, sews a priceless jewel into the inside of his friend’s garment and, giving it to him, leaves. But the man who was drunk and asleep is totally unaware of this. After getting up he leaves and roams around until he arrives in another country. Although he diligently seeks for food and clothing they are very difficult to obtain. He is satisfied if he just obtains a very meager amount. Later on the intimate friend happens to meet this man. Seeing him, he says: O poor fellow! How have you come to this state through lack of food and clothing? Once, on such-and-such a day in such-and-such a month and year, I sewed a priceless jewel into the inside of your garment, wanting to make things easier for you and to let you enjoy the desires of the five senses as much as you wished. It is still there, although you aren’t aware of it, and you seek your livelihood with great effort and hardship! You have been very foolish. Sell this jewel and use it to buy what you need. From now on you will know neither poverty nor want and can live as you wish.
    Inspired by Dogen's kind of word games, mixing and matching images and phrases, going for double-entendres or turning things up-side-down, rewrite the above in something like Dogen's style of writing to bring out this point of our Buddha Nature already being with us, we are already enlightened but just don't know it. Rather than being too rational about it, let the sound and feeling and chance "whatever pops out of the word play" convey the feeling for that message. Look at the Lotus Sutra passage quoted in my book, and Dogen's rewriting of it, for examples of the kind of word play you should do.

    Oh, and try not to look at the examples of what others have done in this thread before posting your own example. After, you can look at the others, however, nobody is graded on this! Just have fun.

    I may assign a "bonus" track or two later in the week to try too.

    Gassho, J

    STLah

    PS - Now, there has been a little confusion about what is the assignment. It is not to write something really original this time. The point of the exercise is to get a little feel for Dogen's style and manner of expression by mimicking his style. So, please be sure to try this:

    Go back to the chapter, please, and look at the original "Lotus Sutra" passage. Then, look at what D.J. Dogen did with it in his remix passage, what he did with the elements of the story such as "treasure stupa" "sitting inside the stupa" "springing out of Vulture Peak" "two hundred and fifty yojanas" and the like, and how he stirred that all up. Study his grammar, and how he mixed or reinterpreted the various elements, and do something like that with the passage I assigned. If you are not sure what to do, just borrow Dogen's sentence structure, and just switch the elements from the old story with the elements of the new story that I assigned.
    THE POINT IS TO WRITE AND SOUND LIKE DOGEN, not to write your own interesting story!
    Last edited by Jundo; 10-08-2021, 04:58 AM.
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  • Nengyoku
    Member
    • Jun 2021
    • 536

    #2
    I'll take a stab at it.

    There exists in each of these ten directions a dragon black of scale who sews jewels inside of jewels, and robes inside of robes. In this way every man with a robe finds himself with infinite wealth as he pulls from inside another garment. And every man with wealth finds himself in the possession of the black dragon's jewel. In this way every man with a robe finds himself with the jewel.

    And yet, a man with wealth cannot find himself in possession of any jewels, let alone the black dragon's jewel. For it is impossible to see through the true dharma eye when your treasury is full. This is what it means to take an oath of poverty.
    When you find your robes lined with robes you find the path is lined with the path. Stumbling through a strange land you are already wrapped in the way.
    Bodhidharma crosses mountains to come from the west, and finds not the boundary of those mountains. The mountains surely move just as the sky does, but travelling down the hill before the mountain does not discredit your progress. In moving downwards you also move forwards; the summit grows closer even as it climbs higher into the sky.
    And while jewels could hire sherpas to lead you to the summit, the Black Dragon Jewel can hire sherpas which lead you where you are.


    I feel like this got away from me, and I need a nap. Thank you Jundo.

    Gassho,
    William
    SatToday
    Last edited by Nengyoku; 09-26-2021, 01:22 AM. Reason: Spelling
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    • Kaishin
      Member
      • Dec 2010
      • 2322

      #3
      Okay here's my attempt. Scout's Honor that I didn't peek at others'! I was struggling at first, trying to be too analytical in my approach. But then I just tried to let that sweet dharma jazz flow through me, channelling Dogen as best I could, letting whatever came forth hit the keys. This is my result:

      "Buddha Nature is like the red jewel sewn into a coat, the wearer too drunk on the wine of ignorance to realize it.

      But do not think that when I say Buddha Nature is a red jewel sewn into the lining of a coat, that it means Buddha Nature is a red jewel sewn into a coat.

      Buddha Nature is nothing but the jewel, the coat, the thread, the wearer, a friend, a bottle of wine, ignorance, falling asleep, and waking up; both finding and not-finding the jewel, no jewel to find or not-find, no not-finding nor not-not-finding. The jewel sews the wine and the wearer finds the coat fast asleep. The wearer wears, the jewel jewels, and the wine wines.

      This means nothing other than Buddha Nature is a red jewel sewn into a coat"
      Thanks,
      Kaishin (開心, Open Heart)
      Please take this layman's words with a grain of salt.

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      • Stewart
        Member
        • May 2017
        • 152

        #4
        Suppose there were a man who came to the house of a close friend to go hiking the next day and went to sleep early in order to get a good start the next morning. The man said that he wouldn’t bother to take a packed lunch but buy something on the way. After he’d gone to bed, the friend put a candy bar into his backpack, which the man picks up and leaves before his friend gets up the next morning. But the man is totally unaware of the candy bar. He leaves and roams around until he realizes he is a bit lost. Eventually, he finds his path but when he comes down the mountain, the few shops have closed and he has missed the last bus out of the valley. He walks for a long time and only has some ditch water to drink. Later on he sees his friend in the distance. Catching up with him, he asks why he’s so miserable since he put some food in the bottom of his bag. It is still there, so he eats it and they walk home together to a big home cooked meal.

        Stewart
        Sat

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        • Jundo
          Treeleaf Founder and Priest
          • Apr 2006
          • 40466

          #5
          Originally posted by Stewart
          Suppose there were a man who came to the house of a close friend to go hiking the next day and went to sleep early in order to get a good start the next morning. The man said that he wouldn’t bother to take a packed lunch but buy something on the way. After he’d gone to bed, the friend put a candy bar into his backpack, which the man picks up and leaves before his friend gets up the next morning. But the man is totally unaware of the candy bar. He leaves and roams around until he realizes he is a bit lost. Eventually, he finds his path but when he comes down the mountain, the few shops have closed and he has missed the last bus out of the valley. He walks for a long time and only has some ditch water to drink. Later on he sees his friend in the distance. Catching up with him, he asks why he’s so miserable since he put some food in the bottom of his bag. It is still there, so he eats it and they walk home together to a big home cooked meal.

          Stewart
          Sat
          Well, not so Dogen-ish, but I did please my sweet tooth.

          Gassho, J

          STLah
          ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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          • Bion
            Treeleaf Priest
            • Aug 2020
            • 4646

            #6
            I hope I have understood the assignment:

            “The foolish one and the sage, the one exerting himself in the Lotus posture and the one marching to war are not different and not more or less rich in the dharma than each other. Each having had jewels bestowed upon them, they go on about their work and effort, losing sight and memory of the hiding place of the precious gem.
            Upright in the stillness of zazen, one effortlessly uncovers the precious jewel, for how can it remain hidden in the inner garments when its light shoots out like an arrow towards the mark? What worth is there in a jewel kept hidden and what poverty can there be when it is easily found? And yet, men live cursing their fate, and die with their hands reaching out for alms. “

            Sorry for running a bit long and for probably completely misunderstanding the task [emoji2309]

            [emoji1374] SatToday
            "Stepping back with open hands, is thoroughly comprehending life and death. Immediately you can sparkle and respond to the world." - Hongzhi

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            • tclark7
              Member
              • Aug 2021
              • 37

              #7
              Not long ago, a pothead passed out on his friend's couch after a long night of cheetos and blunts. The friend, being an economic theorist and Bitcoin maximalist, had been talking about the future of cryptocurrency despite his friend's general lack of interest. Despite this, the theorist created for his unknowing friend a hardware wallet and deposited a substantial amount of bitcoin, at the time worth less than the storage device they were kept on. Upon awaking, the stoner found his friend had left, took the wallet he found left for him and put it in the glove box of his '97 Ford Taurus.
              Years passed, and the stoner came upon hard times. He lost what little he did have other than his vehicle and its contents. He also wasn't keen on keeping up with current events. There were days he was happy to find a half eaten box of chicken McNuggets and a blunt roach lying around. Parked in a gentrified area of town, he thought about where he would drive off to next with the liter of gas still remaining in his tank. Suddenly, there was a knock on his window. It must be the cops, he assumed, and hastily put out the trash-weed he had been puffing on. But instead of police, he saw the concerned look of his economist friend from years ago. His friend asked what had happened and how he had turned out this way, and the conversation turned to the bitcoin of years past, still sitting in a wallet in his glove box. That night they had quite a party.

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              • Jundo
                Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                • Apr 2006
                • 40466

                #8
                Stewart, Bion, and Mr. Clark ...

                I am going to ask you three to try again, although what you each wrote was fascinating. The point is to get a handle on Dogen's writing style, and what he was doing, although you are all very creative and witty writers.

                Go back to the chapter, please, and look at the original "Lotus Sutra" passage. Then, look at what D.J. Dogen did with it in his remix passage, what he did with the elements of the story such as "treasure stupa" "sitting inside the stupa" "springing out of Vulture Peak" "two hundred and fifty yojanas" and the like, and how he stirred that all up. Study his grammar, and how he mixed or reinterpreted the various elements, and do something like that with the passage I assigned. If you are not sure what to do, just borrow Dogen's sentence structure, and just switch the elements from the old story with the elements of the new story that I assigned.

                Bion, yours was nice, but I really want you to mimic Dogen's style for this exercise. Stewart, yours made me hungry. Mr. Clark, yours reminded me of my misspent youth growing up in Ft. Lauderdale in the 70s, combined with elements of Neuromancer cyberpunk SF.

                So, no grades but ... pass/fail.

                Kaishin, maybe you can also add a bit more to what you wrote, maybe wild things up a bit more, mixing and matching and stretching those story elements musically. I think you have it about right, but expand for a few more sentences, adding on to what you already wrote. Even wilder mixing and matching elements, please, for another 3 or 4 lines. You can copy Dogen's grammar structures too.

                Shinshin, I think you got the general feel of it, yeah.

                Gassho, J

                STLah
                Last edited by Jundo; 09-27-2021, 11:41 PM.
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                • Meian
                  Member
                  • Apr 2015
                  • 1722

                  #9
                  I didn't get to look at this thread in depth before, but Jundo your post has me really curious. It almost sounds like a challenging word game(?) with Dogen. I love word games, and I'm trying to understand Dogen. So, I will attempt this, if I may. =)

                  Gassho2, meian stlh

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                  鏡道 |​ Kyodo (Meian) | "Mirror of the Way"
                  visiting Unsui
                  Nothing I say is a teaching, it's just my own opinion.

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                  • Jundo
                    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                    • Apr 2006
                    • 40466

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Meian
                    I didn't get to look at this thread in depth before, but Jundo your post has me really curious. It almost sounds like a challenging word game(?) with Dogen. I love word games, and I'm trying to understand Dogen. So, I will attempt this, if I may. =)

                    Gassho2, meian stlh

                    Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk
                    Yes, it is a kind of word game ... with profound meanings ...



                    Gassho, Jundo

                    STLah
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                    • Meian
                      Member
                      • Apr 2015
                      • 1722

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Jundo
                      Yes, it is a kind of word game ... with profound meanings ...


                      Great -- my favorite kind, patterns, codes and all! I want to try.

                      Just will take some time.

                      gassho meian stlh
                      鏡道 |​ Kyodo (Meian) | "Mirror of the Way"
                      visiting Unsui
                      Nothing I say is a teaching, it's just my own opinion.

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                      • Kaishin
                        Member
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 2322

                        #12
                        Jundo,

                        Here's my expanded attempt. You're really challenging my limited creativity on this one! So I will definitely borrow some grammar this time ...

                        "Buddha Nature is like the red jewel sewn into a coat, the wearer too drunk on the wine of ignorance to realize it.

                        But do not think that when I say Buddha Nature is a red jewel sewn into the lining of a coat, that it means Buddha Nature is a red jewel sewn into a coat.

                        The red jewel is within the coat, and the coat is within the red jewel. The jeweled coat is a coat of red jewels abiding in wine, and wine opens wine for the jeweled coat.

                        Buddha Nature is nothing but the jewel, the coat, the thread, the wearer, a friend, a bottle of wine, ignorance, falling asleep, and waking up; both finding and not-finding the jewel, no jewel to find or not-find, no not-finding nor not-not-finding. The jewel turns the coat inside out and the inside out jewel abides in the Dharma. The jewel sews the wine and the wearer finds the coat fast asleep. The wearer wears, the jewel jewels, and the wine wines.

                        This "within the coat," "Buddha Nature," "the jeweled coat," and "wine" are not limited to the realm of things This means nothing other than Buddha Nature is a red jewel sewn into a coat"
                        Thanks,
                        Kaishin (開心, Open Heart)
                        Please take this layman's words with a grain of salt.

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                        • Onkai
                          Treeleaf Unsui
                          • Aug 2015
                          • 3043

                          #13
                          There is a teaching of a good friend. The universe is a good friend. The universe places the valuable treasure of Buddha nature within the seams of sentient beings intoxicated with ignorance. Our drunken state moves the universe to compassion, and the awareness of enlightenment is in each of us but as sentient beings, we bumble along, thinking we are spiritually impoverished until we find a teacher who uncovers our Buddha nature and lets us see the beauty of the Dharma that always surrounds us.

                          Thank you, Jundo, for this thread and assignment. It's adding to an already wonderful read.

                          Gassho,
                          Onkai
                          Sat/lah
                          Last edited by Onkai; 09-28-2021, 12:52 AM.
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                          恩海 Onkai Merciful/Kind Ocean

                          I have a lot to learn; take anything I say that sounds like teaching with a grain of salt.

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                          • Jundo
                            Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                            • Apr 2006
                            • 40466

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Kaishin

                            Buddha Nature is nothing but the jewel, the coat, the thread, the wearer, a friend, a bottle of wine, ignorance, falling asleep, and waking up; both finding and not-finding the jewel, no jewel to find or not-find, no not-finding nor not-not-finding. The jewel turns the coat inside out and the inside out jewel abides in the Dharma. The jewel sews the wine and the wearer finds the coat fast asleep. The wearer wears, the jewel jewels, and the wine wines.

                            This "within the coat," "Buddha Nature," "the jeweled coat," and "wine" are not limited to the realm of things This means nothing other than Buddha Nature is a red jewel sewn into a coat"
                            Yeah. Groovy.
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                            • Jundo
                              Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                              • Apr 2006
                              • 40466

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Onkai
                              There is a teaching of a good friend. The universe is a good friend. The universe places the valuable treasure of Buddha nature within the seams of sentient beings intoxicated with ignorance. Our drunken state moves the universe to compassion, and the awareness of enlightenment is in each of us but as sentient beings, we bumble along, thinking we are spiritually impoverished until we find a teacher who uncovers our Buddha nature and lets us see the beauty of the Dharma that always surrounds us.

                              Thank you, Jundo, for this thread and assignment. It's adding to an already wonderful read.

                              Gassho,
                              Onkai
                              Sat/lah
                              Lovely. But see my message to Kaishin .... same for you too:

                              Kaishin, maybe you can also add a bit more to what you wrote, maybe wild things up a bit more, mixing and matching and stretching those story elements musically. I think you have it about right, but expand for a few more sentences, adding on to what you already wrote. Even wilder mixing and matching elements, please, for another 3 or 4 lines. You can copy Dogen's grammar structures too.
                              Gassho, J

                              STLah
                              ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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