2/26 TRANSMISSION of the LIGHT: to Qingyuan

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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 39446

    2/26 TRANSMISSION of the LIGHT: to Qingyuan

    Here's how I might express the point of this passage ...

    There is a practice to be pursued, Teachings such as the "Four Noble Truths" to pierce.

    But piercing the "Four Noble Truths" is ultimately like searching for a mountain while on the mountain (the "Mountain of Emptiness" which cures the Suffering described in the Four Noble Truths).

    One might run for years and years, lifetimes, ages ... around the mountain looking for mountain. That's one way to go about things.

    Or, sit very still and find the mountain.

    Or, walk while still .. or slowly run while still (that's more our Shikantaza way).

    In any case, the mountain is there.

    Also, is the mountain walking/running you ... or are you walking/running the mountain? Do you climb up the mountain, or does the mountain climb down your feet? So, are you and mountain and climbing separate?

    In any case, have a good hike. :-)

    Better than my mountain example as an image for "Emptiness", Hixon and Keizan convey it talking about "building a stairway in the sky" or "flying birds that fly fly fly but leave no traces."

    Cook from 175
    Hixon from 165
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE
  • Zen_Fire
    Member
    • Feb 2011
    • 76

    #2
    Re: 2/26 TRANSMISSION of the LIGHT: to Qingyuan

    This chapter of the book was very heavy for me. I didn't understand much, if anything.
    [b:3vp7c85i]"Let no one be slow to seek wisdom when he is young nor weary in the search of it when he has grown old. For no age is too early or too late for the health of the soul".[/b:3vp7c85i] - Epicurus

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    • Rich
      Member
      • Apr 2009
      • 2601

      #3
      Re: 2/26 TRANSMISSION of the LIGHT: to Qingyuan

      Hixon p161
      "We must not submit reality to our assumptions of states and stages"

      p162
      "Any sense that we hold a final or even a provisional solution - knowing exactly what it is, how it is, how it should be - must dissolve"
      _/_
      Rich
      MUHYO
      無 (MU, Emptiness) and 氷 (HYO, Ice) ... Emptiness Ice ...

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      • Zen_Fire
        Member
        • Feb 2011
        • 76

        #4
        Re: 2/26 TRANSMISSION of the LIGHT: to Qingyuan

        Originally posted by Rich
        Hixon p161
        "We must not submit reality to our assumptions of states and stages"

        p162
        "Any sense that we hold a final or even a provisional solution - knowing exactly what it is, how it is, how it should be - must dissolve"
        Hi, Rich.

        Thank you very much for posting this excerpts from Hixon's book. I don't have that book. It really digs out the diamonds off the stone mountain.

        :wink:

        Thanks again,

        Sunyata (Alex)
        [b:3vp7c85i]"Let no one be slow to seek wisdom when he is young nor weary in the search of it when he has grown old. For no age is too early or too late for the health of the soul".[/b:3vp7c85i] - Epicurus

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        • Rich
          Member
          • Apr 2009
          • 2601

          #5
          Re: 2/26 TRANSMISSION of the LIGHT: to Qingyuan

          Alex, you are welcome. They were my favorite lines from the chapter and I thought they might be helpful. Plus I get to read them any time. Now, where are those diamonds - with the price of gas I could use a few :lol:
          _/_
          Rich
          MUHYO
          無 (MU, Emptiness) and 氷 (HYO, Ice) ... Emptiness Ice ...

          https://instagram.com/notmovingmind

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          • Rimon
            Member
            • May 2010
            • 309

            #6
            Re: 2/26 TRANSMISSION of the LIGHT: to Qingyuan

            “A bird in its passage

            leaves no traces of its flight,

            So why look for stages

            on that dark and solitary road

            which leads deep within?”


            That poem made click on me this morning. It's so difficult not to look for stages, not to process my "progress" on the buddihst path, and so on, and yet so important to forget about stages.

            Gonna turn off the computer and watch some birds flying

            Gassho

            Rimon
            Rimon Barcelona, Spain
            "Practice and the goal of practice are identical." [i:auj57aui]John Daido Loori[/i:auj57aui]

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            • Shogen
              Member
              • Dec 2008
              • 301

              #7
              Re: 2/26 TRANSMISSION of the LIGHT: to Qingyuan

              In this chapter it seems as though Keizan is teaching to not only remove past attachments and delusions but to be ever diligent about forming new ones. New attachments even within the teachings and principles of Buddhism could cause a halt to the endless journey of our way. No matter how wonderous or delightful these experiences may be just hang them on your life's tool belt (Jundo) and keep on keepin on. Gassho, Zak

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              • Hoyu
                Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 2020

                #8
                Re: 2/26 TRANSMISSION of the LIGHT: to Qingyuan

                Jundo wrote: "flying birds that fly fly fly but leave no traces."


                I'm not so sure about that. Sometimes they leave traces all over my car!!!

                Gassho,
                John
                Ho (Dharma)
                Yu (Hot Water)

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                • Hoyu
                  Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 2020

                  #9
                  Re: 2/26 TRANSMISSION of the LIGHT: to Qingyuan

                  Oh, just a tech question. I still haven't figured out how everyone does that cool thing to quote others in the post they are writing? I always have to write what they said by hand if I want include it. Heeeeelp!

                  Thanks in advance!

                  Gassho,
                  John
                  Ho (Dharma)
                  Yu (Hot Water)

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                  • anista
                    Member
                    • Dec 2009
                    • 262

                    #10
                    Re: 2/26 TRANSMISSION of the LIGHT: to Qingyuan

                    Originally posted by JRBrisson
                    Oh, just a tech question. I still haven't figured out how everyone does that cool thing to quote others in the post they are writing? I always have to write what they said by hand if I want include it. Heeeeelp!

                    Thanks in advance!

                    Gassho,
                    John
                    You mean like this? Just press the quote button in the top right corner of the post you want to quote.
                    The mind does not know itself; the mind does not see itself
                    The mind that fabricates perceptions is false; the mind without perceptions is nirv??a

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                    • Hoyu
                      Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 2020

                      #11
                      Re: 2/26 TRANSMISSION of the LIGHT: to Qingyuan

                      Doh! :shock: You mean It was right there this whole time! Doesn't this apply to so many other things in life which are right in front of our faces yet fail to be seen?!
                      Thank you Anista

                      Gassho,
                      John
                      Ho (Dharma)
                      Yu (Hot Water)

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                      • Zen_Fire
                        Member
                        • Feb 2011
                        • 76

                        #12
                        Re: 2/26 TRANSMISSION of the LIGHT: to Qingyuan

                        Originally posted by JRBrisson
                        Doh! :shock: You mean It was right there this whole time! Doesn't this apply to so many other things in life which are right in front of our faces yet fail to be seen?!
                        Thank you Anista

                        Gassho,
                        John
                        Like What? Enlightenment? If that is a consolation for you, I am not enlightened yet. But I guess speaking like this, I am going on the opposite direction of Qingyuan.

                        :lol:

                        Sunyata (Alex)
                        [b:3vp7c85i]"Let no one be slow to seek wisdom when he is young nor weary in the search of it when he has grown old. For no age is too early or too late for the health of the soul".[/b:3vp7c85i] - Epicurus

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                        • BrianW
                          Member
                          • Oct 2008
                          • 511

                          #13
                          Re: 2/26 TRANSMISSION of the LIGHT: to Qingyuan

                          A couple of points came to mind when completing this weeks readings:

                          In “Uji” Dogen explores the notion that life as it is complete, profound, and “truth”, if one wants to talk about it in that way, is right in front of us. Hixon:

                          Our way, right from the start, must be the sky. Not the teaching of emptiness, which remains indirect. Only direct sky!
                          In addition, one word kept coming to mind and that was flow….not to get bogged down in concepts and ideas….not to fixated on “stages” and “progress”.

                          Gassho,
                          Jisen/BrianW

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                          • Shohei
                            Member
                            • Oct 2007
                            • 2854

                            #14
                            Re: 2/26 TRANSMISSION of the LIGHT: to Qingyuan

                            Hiyas
                            At what point are we at in our practice, if practice is seen as something beyond the ordinary, enlightenment something extraordinary to reached then we still have stages to gauge by. All this construction falls apart under careful investigation in Zazen and is expressed in the same way. No class, sect, stage, level or caste. No thing to investigate further. Of course... while knowing there is further investigation!
                            Master Qingyuan reply to the past Buddha seemingly contradictory at first glance simply illustrates the truth.

                            Gassho
                            Shohei

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                            • Heisoku
                              Member
                              • Jun 2010
                              • 1338

                              #15
                              Re: 2/26 TRANSMISSION of the LIGHT: to Qingyuan

                              The mind, bird in the sky, no arising, no alighting, no dwelling.
                              Where are there stages in the sky? How is height measured in infinite space?
                              Easy to think about.. and so hard to unfix those ideas and processes!
                              Sit and fly!
                              Heisoku 平 息
                              Every day is a journey, and the journey itself is home. (Basho)

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