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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 40807

    Realizing Genjokoan - Chapter 5 - Last Portion

    Dear Genjoers,

    Well, as Ango and Jukai season has come to rest this year, a good time to return to Rev. Okumura's Realizing Genjo Koan. We pick up with the final pages of Chapter 5, bottom of page 66 to the end. It is a good place to resume.

    I feel that, in these pages, Rev. Okumura is pointing to our transcendence of the self/other divide in a couple of more very nice ways, helping us experience that interflowing of our small "self" and all of the wide world. So, he points to how we usually experience sensations such as, for example, how we drink a glass of milk (he does not mention this particular example in the book, but others like it). Our language conveys the usual divided way we see the experience such as:

    I (my subject) drink (something I experience doing) milk (separate object) which came from a cow (another separate thing), fed on grass (more separate thing) nurtured by the sun (even more separate thing).

    Yes, we realize that the milk will become our body ("we are what we eat"), and in that sense so does the cow, grass and sun that are contained in the milk.

    However, we can also "rewrite" the sentence in a more Zenny way perhaps to convey something of the experience when all gets blended together, and subject and object merge, perhaps:

    I drink milk which came from a cow, fed on grass nurtured by the sun.

    becomes a single verb which is:

    ... drinkingmilkcowgrasssunIsungrasscowmilkdrinkinging cowsunIgrassdrinkingmilk ....

    Reminds me of German somehow. Or scrambling the whole above even further ...

    ... irssgkoainnasisuarnkunckcdsindiIgIiriwlgngdnsnkusn mmkrwckmigrroglinoswilgs ...

    which maybe is just this drinking right here in every swallow ...

    Something like that.

    In any case, one can experience or, at least, know deep in the bones that "I drink milk" is actually this immediate sweet taste of cows and field, sun and moon, all the world and the farthest star too, including all the past and future.

    You see a glass of milk on a table, and your hand reaches out to grab it ... but the whole "loop" of "sun, grass, cow, milk, glass, table, light photons, eye, brain, thirst, desire, hand, reaching, tongue, tasting" is actually one single phenomenon ... one loop that embodies and includes the whole world as part of the process, even a moth fluttering in Tunisia 1000 years ago and a grain of dust on a planet several light years away. That loop is actually your greater "you" as much as your own nose or your own backside (but before it goes to your head, your "you" is actually just swept up in the process too, a link in the chain).


    That is one heck of a glass of milk!

    I think that the last phrase in today's readings, "when one side is illumined, the other side is dark" is something like when we see the wholeness the separation is hidden, when we see the separation the wholeness is hidden ... but actually we can know both as true at once. In my own book (The Zen Master's Dance), to be published this year, I said the following, rewriting this Genjo passage a drop for readability ...

    When one sees the forms or hears the sounds of the world fully and wholly with body and mind [free of judgment, free of mental categories, transcending “me, my, mine”], one intimately understands without separation. Then, it is not like some object and its reflection in a mirror, and it is unlike the moon and its reflection in distant water, whereby one side is illuminated and the other side is left in the dark.

    Most of us feel cut off from life much of the time, as if our self and the rest of the world were separate. Frictions and disappointments come out of this sense of separation. But there is a way to experience life so unified, so intimate, that such frictions and disappointments drop away. It takes a sense of separation to have tumult and trouble. So, let’s just stop feeling that separation! Give up sticking so stubbornly to this sense of our separate selves via our Buddhist practice. Then, one sees both sides at once, wholeness and separation, completion and lack, as two sides of a single no-sided coin, and all is illuminated.
    Gassho, J (who is mildly lactose intolerant actually! )

    STLah
    Last edited by Jundo; 01-27-2020, 04:11 AM.
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  • Shonin Risa Bear
    Member
    • Apr 2019
    • 923

    #2
    It takes a sense of separation to have tumult and trouble


    doyu sat/lah today
    Visiting priest: use salt

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    • Heiso
      Member
      • Jan 2019
      • 834

      #3
      Oh nice, I've been looking forward to re-starting this...

      Gassho,

      Heiso (Neil)

      StLah

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      • Seibu
        Member
        • Jan 2019
        • 271

        #4
        Originally posted by Heiso
        Oh nice, I've been looking forward to re-starting this...

        Gassho,

        Heiso (Neil)

        StLah


        Gassho,
        Seibu (Jack)
        Sattoday/lah

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        • TyZa
          Member
          • May 2016
          • 126

          #5
          Eco not ego.

          Glad to start this back.

          Gassho,
          Tyler

          SatToday

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          • Ippo
            Member
            • Apr 2019
            • 276

            #6
            Hello Jundo,

            Is it okay that I "catch up" and read 1-5, then once I have read 5 comment here?

            I just discovered this wonderful part of the forum .

            Gassho,

            Ippo,

            Sat/Lah
            一 法
            (One)(Dharma)

            Everyday is a good day!

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            • Jundo
              Treeleaf Founder and Priest
              • Apr 2006
              • 40807

              #7
              Originally posted by Ippo
              Hello Jundo,

              Is it okay that I "catch up" and read 1-5, then once I have read 5 comment here?

              I just discovered this wonderful part of the forum .

              Gassho,

              Ippo,

              Sat/Lah
              Of course, you may catch up ...


              ... so long as you also know that there is nothing lacking and no place to go too.

              Gassho, J

              STLah
              ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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              • Ippo
                Member
                • Apr 2019
                • 276

                #8
                Originally posted by Jundo
                Of course, you may catch up ...


                ... so long as you also know that there is nothing lacking and no place to go too.

                Gassho, J

                STLah
                Understood

                Thank you!

                Gassho,

                Ippo

                SatLah
                一 法
                (One)(Dharma)

                Everyday is a good day!

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                • Tai Shi
                  Member
                  • Oct 2014
                  • 3445

                  #9
                  Now that I through this year's Ango and Jukai, I'd very much like to return to learning Realizing Genjokoan. I've even added Genjokoan to my spelling dictionary so it doesn't mark it with a big red line, something I would never do with students, only careful suggestions in green pen. I'll have to review ch. 1-3, and catch up with 2-5, so please have patience with me, the senior of the group. Please allow me to tell you that staying away from Facebook has become a habit, so I'll have time to "get the work done of focus and release." Even my pain has been less. I was able to sit for 40 or 45 minutes this morning, I am released. So, what say you? Shall we commence reading?
                  Tai Shi
                  sat/lah
                  Gassho
                  Peaceful, Tai Shi. Ubasoku; calm, supportive, for positive poetry 優婆塞 台 婆

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                  • Tai Shi
                    Member
                    • Oct 2014
                    • 3445

                    #10
                    As I find commentary in Chapter 2, unity is one, and one is unity, social is social, and individuality is individuality. So, I live a social, or societal life and I live a life alone. I am contemplative, and I realize in others. I act on my own, and, yet, answer to others. Volition must be communal. I have responsibility to myself and to the community, and the Kangi show just this; as one is a public law, yet is tempered by the light of compassion, I act alone being responsible, and with information, act for others. For example, my wife and I married under Iowa law, and together we excepted this agreement with the State of Iowa, that we would bear financial, and "other" acts together. When we (in love) produced our daughter, we acted together as two becoming one, and we were alone in each of our own decisions back when we undertook our marriage contract. Together, we agreed to give birth to a child. We separately enjoyed this bonding, and together we bear the responsibility to bring that life "up." Thus, we employed a social contract (act) to remain as individuals together. Because we accepted this bond, together we raised this one life, child, to womanhood, where she now departs under her own decisions, and not under our social shield. These are one interpretation of marriage, and the one my wife and I undertook. Now that we are seniors, and one of us becomes the weaker, this in no way nullifies the agreement that we in individually undertook in our joint agreement. Now the strength of each truly combines our resources, financial, physical, intellectual, emotional, and indeed even in space, yet in separate space. And in each area we are also separate. Thus, our social agreement to stay together as long as we can deal with each other or one dies. This holds for us. Individually together under the legal agreement that we are both comfortable with now. Step into the now. Space is emptiness. Emptiness is spaced, BUT space is space--emptiness is emptiness for one assumes the other. And, each of us dies alone.
                    Tai Shi
                    sat/lah
                    Gassho
                    Last edited by Tai Shi; 01-30-2020, 02:02 PM. Reason: qualification
                    Peaceful, Tai Shi. Ubasoku; calm, supportive, for positive poetry 優婆塞 台 婆

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                    • Tai Shi
                      Member
                      • Oct 2014
                      • 3445

                      #11
                      I have not read chapter 5, yet, Jundo's description of milk interdependence as one reminds me of Thich Nhat Hanh-- his original description of the interdependence of all things throughout the earth starting with a sheet of paper. Also in German a Rhino is Panzernashorn, Armored nose horn. Tai Shi, sat, Gassho.
                      Peaceful, Tai Shi. Ubasoku; calm, supportive, for positive poetry 優婆塞 台 婆

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                      • Heikyo
                        Member
                        • Dec 2014
                        • 105

                        #12
                        Hi everyone. I don't have the physical book, does anybody have a Kindle location for where we are starting from again? I remember in other posts someone gave a Kindle location.
                        Paul
                        Sat today, lah

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                        • Jundo
                          Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 40807

                          #13
                          Originally posted by PaulinLondon
                          Hi everyone. I don't have the physical book, does anybody have a Kindle location for where we are starting from again? I remember in other posts someone gave a Kindle location.
                          Paul
                          Sat today, lah
                          From "The Moon in Water" ... last few pages of the chapter.

                          Gassho, J

                          STLah
                          ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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                          • Heiso
                            Member
                            • Jan 2019
                            • 834

                            #14
                            It's lovely to be back reading Rev. Okumura, I find his writing very comforting.

                            I particularly liked his very literal interpretation of 'You are what you eat' which I think kind of aligns with how I explain 'emptiness' and 'non-self' to my (relative) self - that I am an accumulation of atoms (some of which were possibly inherited from a 1000 year old Tunisian moth) and when I am no longer in this form those atoms will go on to be something else.

                            I also liked the reminder that 'enlightenment' isn't an end-goal or a destination, it is a constant process of moment to moment realisation. Or not. It depends which side of the moon (or coin) we chose to view the world through.

                            Now I'm off to listen to some Pink Floyd.

                            Gassho,

                            Heiso

                            StLah

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                            • Seishin
                              Member
                              • Aug 2016
                              • 1522

                              #15
                              I think that civilization, created out of humanity’s desire for happiness and prosperity, has begun to function in nature as cancerous cells function in the body. Although human beings are part of nature, they have produced a society that has begun to grow out of harmony with nature. This disharmony is a result of the attempt to manipulate the natural world into conforming to the agenda of human desires. We have killed numberless living beings and destroyed huge parts of natural ecosystems in order to build cities, and we call this “development.”

                              Okumura, Shohaku. Realizing Genjokoan: The Key to Dogen's Shobogenzo . Wisdom Publications. Kindle Edition.
                              This small part resonated with me during the reading of this section, that I had to look up when Realizing Genjokoan was written/publish, as I have felt this way for many years even decades I guess. Ironic that 10 years from its publication, many of our world leaders and politicians are still in denial of the damage our so called species continue to impact on our planet and are either dragging the heels or even digging them in, when it comes to actively seeking solutions - especially when the technology is out there to combat these issues. So I offer Metta to these poor deluded souls.

                              Back to Jundo's intro after my wee vent.

                              I always find the water analogy refreshing .............. as is the water. I often see this as the epitome of "oneness". I can lay awake listening to the rain, thinking that the process of evaporation/precipitation and all the elements involved to make that happen, means the water I drink has been cycling this planet for eons and could have come from any of the four corners of the world. I imagine evaporation in the Pacific ocean, leading to rainfall in the Andes, flowing in rivers to the Atlantic. A tropical storm over the Indian Ocean resulting a downpour in Africa, rivers feeding the Mediterranean and the process repeating until a reservoir is filled in France and the water finds its way to my tap and eventually my glass, which is filled with the Universe and I with it, not I not us. Without the Universe, no Sun, no evaporation, no water, no us. True interdependence. Simples


                              Seishin

                              Sei - Meticulous
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