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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 40999

    BOOK OF EQUANIMITY - Case 58

    Case 57 never ends, and so our Karma leads us to Case 58, The Dharma Sutra's Reviling ...

    The Diamond Sutra Teaches two seemingly contradictory (but are they?) messages on Karma. One, that Karma (our volitional actions and their effects in this life and, perhaps, lives to come) are empty to the eye of Wisdom that can so perceive ...

    "All conditioned Dharmas
    are like dreams, illusions, bubbles, shadows,
    Like dew drops and a lightning flash,
    Contemplate them thus."


    And yet here, we find the Sutra advising that we may suffer in this life because of the debt of past Karma. Also, our present actions of goodness in this life can help extinguish our debt of Karma.

    In these two simultaneously true, yet seemingly conflicting, views on Karma, this Koan resonates with another Koan in the Book of Serenity that we earlier met ... No. 8, the Fox Koan ... and you might have a look back there:

    CASE 8 - Hyakujo's (Pai-chang's) Fox

    A Zen Teacher claims that, in Great Enlightenment, one is free of Karmic effects, life and death, rebirth. In return, upon his death, he find himself trapped in a fox's body for 500 rebirths. Payback!

    The trapped fox (in the guise of an old man) then hears from another Teacher that, in Great Enlightenment, one does -not- evade and cannot ignore Karmic effects, life and death, rebirth.

    Upon so hearing, the fox attains Great Enlightenment, is freed from further rebirth as a fox, perhaps from all rebirths, Karmic effects, life and death!


    The fellow denying Karma and rebirth is thus trapped in Karma and Rebirth, while upon hearing that even an enlightenment master -cannot- escape Karma and rebirth, he seems to escape Karma and rebirth. Sure sounds like a "not-damned-damned if you do, damned-not-damned if you don't" situation!

    Or (I suggest to you) this is another case of Zen Masters speaking out of "both sides of the no sided mouth". Perhaps, despite seeming quite opposite, both ways are True at once depending on the perspective (and dropping of perspectives).

    For example ...

    http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showt...ANIMITY-Case-8
    The reference to "Enyadata" in the Verse is to an old story of a deluded person (also called "Yajnadata") who, in ignorance, believes his own head is missing (a case for Oliver Sachs?).

    The Shurangama Sutra relates the story of Yajnadatta, the mad man of Shravasti, who one day looked in the mirror and noticed that the person reflected in it had a head. At that point, he lost his reason and said, 'How come that person has a head and I don't? Where has my head gone?' He then ran wildly through the streets asking everyone he met, 'Have you seen my head? Where has it gone?'
    He accosted everyone he met, yet no one knew what he was doing. 'He already has a head,' they said. 'What's he looking for another one for?'
    The reference to "Hasoda" is also to a tale of someone freed from the delusion of their own making ... Yamada Roshi comments ...

    Once there was the mountain Sûzan which had a small shrine with an oven where
    the mountain deity was worshiped. However, out of fears that the mountain deity would harm
    the inhabitants of the village, they offered sheep and chickens in the oven to the god. But there
    was a monk who struck the little shrine three times with his staff and said, “This oven is
    composed of mud and brick—where does the holiness come from, where does the spirit arise,
    that you burn living creatures?” This is pointing to how the content is empty.
    Then he hit the oven three times again, whereupon it fell apart. To say “where does the
    holiness come from, where does the spirit arise” means that the content is empty. That evening,
    a man appeared wearing a blue robe and a crown. He said, “I was originally the spirit of the
    shrine. For a long time I have been subject to the consequences of karma; today, having heard
    your explanation of birthlessness, I am free from this place and born in heaven. I just came to
    offer thanks.” To speak of “birthlessness” is to realize that it is empty. This is what this line of
    the verse is referring to. The name Hasôda means “oven breaker,” referring to how he hit the
    oven three times, causing it to collapse. But what is the oven? It is our concepts and thoughts.
    http://www.sanbo-zen.org/shoyoroku_58.pdf
    Question: Karma is empty. Yet, in your life, what intentional actions on your part delude and trap you in ignorance? Is your own greed, anger and divisive thinking causing you to fall into your own little hells?

    Also, can you experience how Karma and all our little heavens and hells are Empty too?


    Gassho, J

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  • Myosha
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    • Mar 2013
    • 2974

    #2
    Hello

    "Question: Karma is empty. Yet, in your life, what intentional actions on your part delude and trap you in ignorance? Is your own greed, anger and divisive thinking causing you to fall into your own little hells?

    Also, can you experience how Karma and all our little heavens and hells are Empty too? "

    Ef attachment. The world spins with, or without us.


    Gassho
    Myosha
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    "Recognize suffering, remove suffering." - Shakyamuni Buddha when asked, "Uhm . . .what?"

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    • Jishin
      Member
      • Oct 2012
      • 4821

      #3
      Originally posted by Jundo
      C



      [B]Question: Karma is empty. Yet, in your life, what intentional actions on your part delude and trap you in ignorance? Is your own greed, anger and divisive thinking causing you to fall into your own little hells?

      Also, can you experience how Karma and all our little heavens and hells are Empty too?
      Simple. Forgetting that from nothing (0) form (1) arises and disappears back to nothing (0). 0=1=0. Don't attach to 1 (form) and suffering is decreased. Also don't attach to emptiness (0) and suffering is decreased. Karma can be viewed as the amplitude of a wave in an ocean where ocean=emptiness and wave=form. Thus 0=1=0=1=0=1=0 add infinitum. Make less Karma at the present wave/form/1 and the next one will be smaller until 1=0=0=0...

      As Boddhisavtas we vow to do save all sentient beings before our own wave (1) is extinguished (0) so the above process includes all sentient beings.

      The easiest way to go about this Karma business is to have a mirror mind so that when red comes, you see just red. When a tree comes, you see just a tree. Then situations can be perceived clearly and appropriate action taken. You see a hungry person, you give them food. Automatic. How do you do this? Develop your mirror mind. In the Soto tradition we do it with Zazen.

      It doesn't get much simpler than that!

      Just babbling.

      Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_

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      • TyZa
        Member
        • May 2016
        • 126

        #4
        Irritability I experience tends to cause situations to worsen for me based on my actions. Likewise, I may be more susceptible to experiencing irritability from the effects of a particular situation (from other people's causes or the indifferent 'cause/effect' of nature/life). Maybe all of that together as one is the same thing we just call cause and effect.

        Maybe like a wheel (O). When the wheel rolls, one side goes up and the other side goes down. The top is moving forward but the bottom is moving back. However, the wheel as a whole is all moving in the same direction and is all connected as 'one' object. To expand the imagery, a circle (O) cannot be a circle unless it contains emptiness. Not sure if I totally missed the mark here but this imagery popped into my head a little while ago.

        Gassho,
        Tyler

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        • Jundo
          Treeleaf Founder and Priest
          • Apr 2006
          • 40999

          #5
          It may help to savor "Emptiness", not as "nothingness", but as a flowing Wholeness so whole that all individual things and categories ... me and you, good and bad, this and that, birth and death, even "something" and "nothing" and "broken" and "whole" ... are all swept up and washed away, all while being each and all what they are too. It ain't just zero, and it ain't just the hole in the donut ... although it is all that too, plus the whole donut shop and every number. Emptiness is the sea which holds every wave, and while waves rise and fall and come and go, each wave is just the sea all along ... and the sea flows on and on ...

          Gassho, J

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          • Jishin
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            • Oct 2012
            • 4821

            #6
            Well, I just am not that good with words. Best to chop wood and carry water.

            We have a little cabin in New Mexico with 3.5 acres. Lots of trees. My wife put up a bird feeder one week ago and now they are coming regularly to visit. The dogs absolutely love it here. They love the neighbor's dogs and chase the occasional deer when it hops over the fence into our property. They never catch the deer off course. I wish I could live here year round but I got a day job. Maybe some day. As for now, best chop wood and carry water.

            Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_

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            • Jundo
              Treeleaf Founder and Priest
              • Apr 2006
              • 40999

              #7
              Originally posted by Jishin
              Well, I just am not that good with words. Best to chop wood and carry water.

              We have a little cabin in New Mexico with 3.5 acres. Lots of trees. My wife put up a bird feeder one week ago and now they are coming regularly to visit. The dogs absolutely love it here. They love the neighbor's dogs and chase the occasional deer when it hops over the fence into our property. They never catch the deer off course. I wish I could live here year round but I got a day job. Maybe some day. As for now, best chop wood and carry water.

              Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_
              So lovely, even as completely empty!

              You must have fortunate Karma.

              Gassho, J

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              • TyZa
                Member
                • May 2016
                • 126

                #8
                It's hard describing something like this with finite language, especially when one hasn't fully grasped it in their bones

                Isn't the word translated as Emptiness sometimes translated as "Thusness" or "Suchness?" If so, that seems to help define what is meant by "emptiness."

                Gassho,
                Tyler

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                • Jundo
                  Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                  • Apr 2006
                  • 40999

                  #9
                  Originally posted by TyZa
                  It's hard describing something like this with finite language, especially when one hasn't fully grasped it in their bones

                  Isn't the word translated as Emptiness sometimes translated as "Thusness" or "Suchness?" If so, that seems to help define what is meant by "emptiness."

                  Gassho,
                  Tyler

                  SatToday
                  Well, Barbara over at About Buddhism does about as good a job as anyone in nailing that jello to the wall, explaining "Suchness" in a nutshell ...



                  I will say simply this: Suchness is "the way things are" truly. Shunryu Suzuki Roshi used to say "The Way Things Is".

                  For Dogen and many other Mahayana Buddhists, by the way, the "Emptiness" of all phenomena of this world not only means that all the separate things of this world vanish through the loss of their separate identity. Rather, Emptiness also sweeps around to revivify all things, showing each and all as a shining jewel in Indra's Net ... precisely itself in its own perfection, each holding all and all just each. Tyler is but the flowing sea of Emptiness ... yet Tyler is too just revealed as a bright shining Tyler, as Tyler as Tyler can be. Tyler holds all the sea as the sea is but Tyler flowing. This too is "Suchness". Thus we have sayings like ...

                  "Before a man studies Zen, to him mountains are mountains and waters are waters; after he gets an insight into the truth of Zen through the instruction of a good master, mountains to him are not mountains and waters are not waters; but after this when he really attains to the abode of rest, mountains are once more mountains and waters are waters."

                  Put in rusty tin cans, trash piles, bloody battle fields, hungry children and hospital wards ... and it works just the same, by the way. It is just that the dirt and blood obscure the shine. Even as all may be cleansed when encountered as the pure waters of the sea or the bright light of Enlightenment ... and even those even all that might be seen as jewels of the chain ... still, simultaneously, we might seek to cure the disease, pick up the trash, feed the hungry, stop the war and the like.

                  Tyler too may be Tyler-perfectly Tyler, a shining jewel of Tyler Suchness ... perfectly imperfectly Perfectly Tyler beyond and right through all small human judgements of "perfect vs. imperfect" ... yet Tyler too should work on a few imperfections which may obstruct this fact from view.

                  Gassho, J

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                  • Jakuden
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                    • Jun 2015
                    • 6141

                    #10
                    That's a good article, I bookmarked it to read again! Nailing jello to the wall, indeed.

                    "Suchness" and "Emptiness," the dance of dependent origination. There is nothing that is not dependent, so that means there is nothing that is not empty. Once one realizes emptiness then, one is free of rebirth, because one has realized that one is just a continuation of the cycle of dependent origination...

                    Gassho,
                    Jakuden
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                    • TyZa
                      Member
                      • May 2016
                      • 126

                      #11
                      Thank you for that personalized teaching Jundo and the link to the article on "suchness", it really helped me to better understand it and its relationship to emptiness. I too will bookmark it!

                      Gassho,
                      Tyler

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                      • Ongen
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                        • Jan 2014
                        • 786

                        #12
                        Question: Karma is empty. Yet, in your life, what intentional actions on your part delude and trap you in ignorance? Is your own greed, anger and divisive thinking causing you to fall into your own little hells? Also, can you experience how Karma and all our little heavens and hells are Empty too?
                        Yes. Nothing else is causing my little hells but 'me', clearly! Actually, once realised the little hell is nothing but 'me' creating that little hell, it usually disappears quickly. Sadly I am good at creating hells. I blame my being human for that. Luckily I am getting better each day at seeing through them little bastards too

                        I am also the creator of Karma. And karma is the creator of me. It's a wonderful thing.

                        Gassho
                        Ongen

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                        • Onkai
                          Senior Priest-in-Training
                          • Aug 2015
                          • 3145

                          #13
                          This discussion is very timely for me. I have been working on several self-improvement projects, and seem to be failing. Maybe self-improvement projects are functions of the ego, a way of creating a hell, an attachment. Still, the parts in the commentary about patience spoke to me. The discussion here about suchness opens the perspective much wider than I was seeing.

                          Gassho,
                          Onkai
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                          美道 Bidou Beautiful Way
                          恩海 Onkai Merciful/Kind Ocean

                          I have a lot to learn; take anything I say that sounds like teaching with a grain of salt.

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                          • Meishin
                            Member
                            • May 2014
                            • 878

                            #14
                            It is easier to think of this koan in terms of work. I make my living dividing people into various categories, called diagnoses. In the context of the work, those are "real." They create consequences (karma). But I have done this for a long time. And over the years I notice how slippery they are. Diagnoses come and go. I do the same in my life. Sometimes I am insulted. Taken advantage of. Then a little time passes and I realize it is nothing. It is part of the "whole catastrophe," nothing else. Both moments feel real while they are present. In Zazen I notice they come and go too. There is A Very Important Thought that suddenly falls away to something I cannot name.

                            Koans seem very obvious even as they seem like utter nonsense.

                            Gassho
                            Meishin
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                            • Hoseki
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                              • Jun 2015
                              • 698

                              #15
                              Hi folks,


                              I think in this context I think of Karma as just history. Each of us are faced with what's happening right now not what happened in the past. What's happening now is connected to the past but the past is past and can't be changed. Why do I have anxiety? I don't know but it is related to my history somehow. Some combination of factors, genetics combined with early life experiences, a history of manipulative coping strategies etc... Either way, I'm faced with anxiety now as I write this. I'm not dealing with yesterday's anxiety.

                              I only live now and the past for all that it can illuminate is but a story. That's the only way we can engage with. It can help us understand things now, plan for the future etc... but that's about it. So our Karma is like this. It can trap us in our own suffering because we wish the world to be other than it is right now. This struggle increases the suffering we experiencing. Its the difference between having dog shit on your shoe and having it all over your legs. Neither is comfortable but one is preferable. However, once we recognize the world is as it is. We can get on to the business of cleaning our boots as much as possible. There's no need to wallow in shit if we can avoid it

                              Long story short, if we recognize karma as the movement of history up to this point we can see what happens next is in some part up to us. As for our karma being empty I think its because history is complex and contradictory and appears to operating simultaneously at different scales. I don't think we are just affected by Karma but we are in a way its embodiment. I'm acted upon and am moved. I act upon others and they are moved. I'm acted upon and we are both moved. I act upon others and we both moved.


                              Or at least thats the last thing I thought about when I got read to comment. I found this koan and the comments to be rather stimulating.



                              Gassho
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