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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 41064

    BOOK OF EQUANIMITY - Case 52

    Case 51 never ends, yet we turn to Case 52 ... Sozan's Dharmakaya ...

    The Book of Equanimity contains the first-ever complete English language commentary on one of the most beloved classic collections of Zen teaching stories (koans), making them vividly relevant to spiritual seekers and Zen students in the twenty-first century. Continually emphasizing koans as effective tools to discover and experience the deepest truths of our being, Wick brings the art of the koan to life for those who want to practice wisdom in their daily lives.The koan collection Wick explores here is highly esteemed as both literature and training material in the Zen tradition, in which koan-study is one of two paths a practitioner might take. This collection is used for training in many Zen centers in the Americas and in Europe but has never before been available with commentary from a contemporary Zen master. Wick's Book of Equanimity includes new translations of the preface, main case and verse for each koan, and modern commentaries on the koans by Wick himself.


    Dharmakaya might be said to be reality in its most ultimate sense, beyond subject and object, all individual people and things, coming and going and all birth and death ... so ultimate in fact that we dare not even put a name on it (even "it" or "Dharmakaya"!) for to do so is just to limit. This is what we are too. As the Preamble says, "comparisons cannot be made, and when it is impossible to find something similar or identical, how can it be expressed?" And as well, this Dharmakaya is precisely all people and things, you and me too.

    The image of the moon in the water reminds me of this most beautiful image painted by Dogen in his Genjo Koan ...

    Enlightenment is like the moon reflected on the water. The moon does not get wet, nor is the water broken. Although its light is wide and great, the moon is reflected even in a puddle an inch wide. The whole moon and the entire sky are reflected in dewdrops on the grass, or even in one drop of water.
    Enlightenment does not divide you, just as the moon does not break the water. You cannot hinder enlightenment, just as a drop of water does not hinder the moon in the sky. The depth of the drop is the height of the moon. Each reflection, however long or short its duration, manifests the vastness of the dewdrop, and realizes the limitlessness of the moonlight in the sky.
    http://www.thezensite.com/ZenTeachin...GenjoKoan8.htm
    As to the Donkey and the Well (probably the image is the donkey seeing his own self in the well water), I believe there is some play here on the fact that you might realize that "you are the Dharmakaya", but do you realize that "the Dharmakaya is precisely you"? Better said (because, in Zen speak, that is still "only 80%"), what "you" and what "Dharmakaya" (because even thinking in such way creates the image of two things). As well, each drop of water (of which you are one) holds comfortably and fully expresses the entire moon!

    Thus, for example, the Heart Sutra chants, "form is no other than emptiness, emptiness no other than form. Form is exactly emptiness, emptiness exactly form." The Sufi mystic Kabir taught, "All know that the drop merges into the ocean, but few know that the ocean merges into the drop.” Dogen also spoke in the Genjo ...

    To carry the self forward and illuminate myriad things is delusion. That myriad things come forth and illuminate the self is awakening. ... To study the buddha way is to study the self. To study the self is to forget the self. To forget the self is to be actualized by myriad things. When actualized by myriad things, your body and mind as well as the bodies and minds of others drop away. No trace of realization remains, and this no-trace continues endlessly. When you first seek dharma, you imagine you are far away from its environs. At the moment when dharma is correctly transmitted, you are immediately your original self.
    I am not sure, but probably the images in the closing Verse of "loom threads don't hang" and "patterns emerge every which way" means something like every thread and pattern (of which you and I are two) of the rug are just the rug, and the rug is precisely its threads and patterns. Since the threads are precisely the rug, and rug just threads ... and this rug is an ongoing work in progress, with threads constantly being added (birth) and replaced on the loom ... though a thread may break (death) this rug stretches boundlessly on and on ... and all is precisely who you and I are all along ...

    SUGGESTED QUESTION:

    Do you feel like the donkey or the well, the moon or the water?


    Gassho, J


    The donkey looks at (its reflection in) the well
    The well looks at the Donkey
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  • Jishin
    Member
    • Oct 2012
    • 4821

    #2
    Originally posted by Jundo

    SUGGESTED QUESTION:

    Do you feel like the donkey or the well, the moon or the water?

    Not sure. But it reminds me of Kennedy's inauguration speech - "Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country."

    Am I the country or is the country me? Both. Yet the country is the earth and the earth the universe and the universe the Big Bang and what's before the Big Bang? Where did it come from? I am from. This from has words that can get you here but no further. This is the source. The well that swallows the donkey and itself.

    Just ramblings.

    Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_

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    • Myosha
      Member
      • Mar 2013
      • 2974

      #3
      "Do you feel like the donkey or the well, the moon or the water?"

      Hello,

      Yes.


      Gassho
      Myosha sat today
      "Recognize suffering, remove suffering." - Shakyamuni Buddha when asked, "Uhm . . .what?"

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      • Jakuden
        Member
        • Jun 2015
        • 6141

        #4
        First thought so far is regarding the Preface, while letting the rest sink in a bit. When you can't use analogy or simile, how can something be expressed? That is why it is difficult to verbalize thoughts about these Koans, since it seems like the very nature of communication from "me" to "you" necessitates separation. Explaining something inevitably involves comparisons. I have noticed this sometimes when my children ask me to define something with which they have no basis yet to compare, and I am at a loss if I cannot find an analogy that they can understand. Yet, I see children (and animals) "get" things that apparently need no verbal explanation.

        Gassho,
        Jakuden
        SatToday

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        • Kokuu
          Dharma Transmitted Priest
          • Nov 2012
          • 6942

          #5
          The well that swallows the donkey and itself.



          As with a lot of koans, I understand this, but not well enough to express it in my own words. Thank you for the image, Jundo. I have printed this out and stuck it on the wall while I keep company with this case.

          I wonder if the weft and warp of the rug are another metaphor for the interplay of emptiness and form, like the box and its lid from sandokai?


          Sitting donkey
          rivers of thought slowly
          become the ocean.


          Gassho
          Kokuu
          #sattoday
          Last edited by Kokuu; 05-23-2016, 02:10 PM.

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          • Eishuu

            #6
            I feel like the donkey, but sometimes the well starts to wake up or the donkey starts to wake up to the well.

            I really love this koan. Just had an initial reading so will keep contemplating it over the coming days.

            Gassho
            Lucy
            sat today

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            • John Mac
              Member
              • Apr 2016
              • 30

              #7
              Hello friends,

              Am I the donkey or the well or the moon....am I all of these things, I must be.

              Gassho,
              John

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              • Kaishin
                Member
                • Dec 2010
                • 2322

                #8
                (side question: Jundo have you ever given a talk about the three "kayas"?)
                Thanks,
                Kaishin (開心, Open Heart)
                Please take this layman's words with a grain of salt.

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                • Tai Shi
                  Member
                  • Oct 2014
                  • 3471

                  #9
                  Jundo, what does equanimity exactly--I've looked it up, and I'm still unsure--felling intense sensations today--will sit in Shikantaza again perhaps from Saturday evening!

                  Tai Shi

                  Calm Poetry

                  sat this morning

                  Gassho and deep bows!
                  Peaceful, Tai Shi. Ubasoku; calm, supportive, for positive poetry 優婆塞 台 婆

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                  • Jundo
                    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                    • Apr 2006
                    • 41064

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Kaishin
                    (side question: Jundo have you ever given a talk about the three "kayas"?)
                    Every talk (and silence) is the three "kayas"!

                    For those who don't know what is a "kaya", this is the theory of three "bodies" of the Buddha (like Father, Son and Holy Ghost? ) ) that developed in Mahayana Buddhism early on (although with roots in earlier Buddhism). In a nutshell:

                    - The Nirmāṇakāya is the flesh and blood buddha(s) who periodically manifest in the world, including historical Shakyamuni who was born and died in old India some 2500 years ago.

                    - The Dharmakāya the subject (beyond subject or object) of today's Koan might be called "Big B Buddha" beyond all names, characteristics and categories, including even place and time and birth and death ... even names like "Buddha".

                    - A bit later in the history of Mahayana Buddhism, there developed a third category, the Sambhogakāya, which might be described as Buddhas and their emanations residing in heavens and various ethereal realms in most idealized and romantic and miraculous form ... often the image depicted in art and old Sutra stories with super powers and amazing qualities and magic appearances far beyond ordinary folks ... our amazing saints and godlike Buddhas and the Bodhisattva manifestations. It is what any religion does when it takes its human founders and symbols and dips them in gold and writes incredible mythical stories about their natures. (Even our descriptions of the "historical Buddha" tends to head in such a miraculous and idealized direction in most of our literature).

                    I myself am mostly inspired by the "flesh and blood, in this world, sometimes had health problems or disappointments in life, bozos on the bus like the rest of us" human Nirmāṇakāya buddhas who were people who inspired with wise teachings and excellent qualities (although just people nonetheless) ... and the beyond all categories and divisions Dharmakaya which one knows beyond and right through this world (as this Koan demonstrates, this world and "Big B" are "not two" separate things) ...

                    ... and I am not so much about Sambhogakāya as actual beings, although I honor such images as powerful symbols, heroes and myths (in the Joseph Campbell way as symbols and reminders for our aspirations and what we might target as heroic symbols of who human beings might ideally aim to be) of the best of human qualities, hopes and aspirations. We need heroes, symbols and stories to inspire and capture our dreams. Most conservative Buddhists would tend to take the fantastic qualities of the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas as more literal and undeniable fact, much in the way that people of any religion ... Christians about the divinity, miracles and continued presence of Jesus, for example ... do in any faith. In my perspective, even our "fictional" heroes have powers to touch us, to point us to some Truth that they symbolize, to be manifestations of something within us and in this universe that we try to capture through such images. Thus, even our "heroes" and fantastic stories (whether it is Amida Buddha in his Pure Land or Luke Skywalker and the Jedi) are real as real can be in that way.

                    If I were to offer a talk on the Kayas, I would basically say just that.

                    You can read more about little more about the Kayas here ...



                    ... and examples of more literal interpretations of Sambhogakāya and the others (although they are said to be not separate ultimately) ... and also some attempts to make the more fantastic elements relevant for modern folks ...





                    The “three bodies of the Buddha” may seem like a remote construct, says Reginald Ray, but the trikaya is present in every moment of our experience.


                    Probably more history of the three than anyone needs, but Buddhist history wonks please read a few pages from "the system develops" here ...

                    Originating in India, Mahayana Buddhism spread across Asia, becoming the prevalent form of Buddhism in Tibet and East Asia. Over the last twenty-five years Western interest in Mahayana has increased considerably, reflected both in the quantity of scholarly material produced and in the attraction of Westerners towards Tibetan Buddhism and Zen.Paul Williams’ Mahayana Buddhism is widely regarded as the standard introduction to the field, used internationally for teaching and research and has been translated into several European and Asian languages. This new edition has been fully revised throughout in the light of the wealth of new studies and focuses on the religion’s diversity and richness. It includes much more material on China and Japan, with appropriate reference to Nepal, and for students who wish to carry their study further there is a much-expanded bibliography and extensive footnotes and cross-referencing. Everyone studying this important tradition will find Williams’ book the ideal companion to their studies.


                    Gassho, J

                    SatToday
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                    • Jwroberts27
                      Member
                      • Jun 2014
                      • 19

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Jundo

                      Do you feel like the donkey or the well, the moon or the water?
                      Thank you very much for the short discussion, Jundo. And for the great commentary, All.

                      I think there is no need to distinguish between any of these entities since to do so is to fall into the 80%. This 80% seems to be the "world" of concepts. In this sense, Sozan too falls into the 80% along with Toku, since they are in effect saying the same thing. The donkey seeing the well, is merely the donkey making a particular distinction of the dharmakaya in front of him (i.e., well, water, self-reflection, bricks, etc.). The well too sees the donkey in as much as the donkey's reflection on water is also a formless construction of the dharmakaya that appears before it. Also, even if the donkey is not looking down the well, but just looking at it, the well too is seeing it. Both donkey and well/moon and water, construct a reflection of the dharmakaya in front of them, and by constructing this reflection, distinguish that "Thusness" as a particular object. But like all objects (human/nonhuman; living/nonliving; natural/constructed), they are only constituted as objects in relation to other objects.

                      It is this relational aspect that is the other 20%, in my view. That is, the 80% is the understanding that all objects see other objects, for to do so is to give the object (observer and observed) their objectness. Here we are dealing with distinctions and concepts. The 20% is the ongoing impermanent action of seeing (observing)--like a boiling pot of water: when there are bubbles, they are only there because we distinguish it as such. But it is just hot water. When bubbles push other bubbles out of the way, they are "seeing" each other, since one bubble doesn't necessarily exist as something other to its "waterness" (dharmakaya). Likewise, the air in the bubbles only appear as something else in relation to the water, and so on. Therefore, these two bubbles only exist as two bubbles because they appear to be such in relation to each other, not in their larger dharmakaya (waterness).

                      The preface to case 52 states that people can learn by parable or analogy, but how can something be expressed for which there isn't any identical similarity. I think this is slightly (and purposefully) misleading, since there is a suggestion that things need to be expressed conceptually (as I did above--80%). "Expression" carries a double meaning. When we fall into concepts, there is no escaping the pigeonholing of the universe into degrees of difference and separation. This is what concepts do (one form of expression). On the other hand, when things are identically similar, it is hard to distinguish between them (i.e., where do I end, and you begin). This is to say, the real question is, how do seemingly dissimilar entities express themselves? This is not a conceptual question but a "performative" question. They express each other in the act of seeing each other.

                      That is expression is expressed via relations, not as something inherent to any particular object.

                      Thank you all.

                      Gassho.

                      WillSitToday
                      Last edited by Jwroberts27; 05-24-2016, 04:04 AM.
                      Gassho,
                      John
                      sattoday

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                      • John Mac
                        Member
                        • Apr 2016
                        • 30

                        #12
                        Good morning friends,

                        A great answer above, particularly ' they express each other IN THE ACT of seeing each other ' this relates directly, to me, to the interconnectedness of all phenomena, how we all flow through and into each other and how our interactions cause an arising, a falling, a dissolution and a construction.

                        Great!

                        Gassho,
                        J

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                        • Jishin
                          Member
                          • Oct 2012
                          • 4821

                          #13
                          Originally posted by John Mac
                          Good morning friends,

                          A great answer above, particularly ' they express each other IN THE ACT of seeing each other ' this relates directly, to me, to the interconnectedness of all phenomena, how we all flow through and into each other and how our interactions cause an arising, a falling, a dissolution and a construction.

                          Great!

                          Gassho,
                          J
                          [emoji120]

                          Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_

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                          • Kokuu
                            Dharma Transmitted Priest
                            • Nov 2012
                            • 6942

                            #14
                            Jwroberts, I like what you say a lot but wonder in this case if the donkey and well are symbolic of objects and the dharmakaya respectively?

                            In this instance, the donkey looking at the well is us as individual forms, recognising our empty/dharmakaya aspect (the 80%). The well looking at the donkey occurs when we realise our lack of separation from everything else, we are the dharmakaya, the ocean, the well. From this perspective we are the eyes of the universe looking at the world of form (the missing 20%).

                            The former (donkey looking at the well) is something I have experienced a great deal, the well looking at the donkey, not so much, although this koan has definitely softened my edges and lowered me part way into the water.

                            Looking deep into the well
                            I am swallowed whole
                            Rising from the depths
                            The bray of a donkey.



                            Gassho
                            Kokuu
                            #sattoday
                            Last edited by Kokuu; 05-24-2016, 01:16 PM.

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                            • Kaishin
                              Member
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 2322

                              #15
                              Thank you, Jundo.
                              Thanks,
                              Kaishin (開心, Open Heart)
                              Please take this layman's words with a grain of salt.

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