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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 41064

    BOOK OF EQUANIMITY - Case 51

    We return to our play in the Koans of the Book of Equanimity, and Shishin Wick's down to earth, wonderful commentary. This time, Case 51 - Hogen's "By Boat or By Land" (For those who have not purchased the book, or are waiting for arrival, it is here):

    The Book of Equanimity contains the first-ever complete English language commentary on one of the most beloved classic collections of Zen teaching stories (koans), making them vividly relevant to spiritual seekers and Zen students in the twenty-first century. Continually emphasizing koans as effective tools to discover and experience the deepest truths of our being, Wick brings the art of the koan to life for those who want to practice wisdom in their daily lives. The koan collection Wick explores here is highly esteemed as both literature and training material in the Zen tradition, in which koan-study is one of two paths a practitioner might take. This collection is used for training in many Zen centers in the Americas and in Europe but has never before been available with commentary from a contemporary Zen master. Wick's Book of Equanimity includes new translations of the preface, main case and verse for each koan, and modern commentaries on the koans by Wick himself.


    For the ignorant, all things in human life are just what they appear. For Buddha, all is empty and not there at all as the separate things, events and people the mind believes.

    Yet for Buddhas too, all is empty and not there, yet is there as there can be. Each thing and event and person is not just that, yet is everything and Buddha too. As the famous saying goes ...

    Before I had studied Zen for thirty years, I saw mountains as mountains, and waters as waters. When I arrived at a more intimate knowledge, I came to the point where I saw that mountains are not mountains, and waters are not waters. But now that I have got its very substance I am at rest. For it's just that I see mountains once again as mountains, and waters once again as waters.
    Thus, when asked how one came, an ordinary deluded fellow might say "by boat" or "on the bus". A Zen fellow might answer "where is there to come from, to where might one go?" There is no coming and going. Or he might answer "by boat" ... and that boat is just a boat, yet is not just a boat for it is also "where is there to come from, to where might one go ... no coming no going". (In fact, one sees that the boat is just the bus and all the flowers and stars in the sky too).

    When Kaku said "boat in the river" did he mean just "boat in the river" or did he mean "boat in the river"? When Hogen called "door" a "door", did he mean that the door is a "door" or that the door is a "door"? The enlightened sage can walk through such a door when it is open and when it is closed. (It is also the bus door, the flowers door, the sky door and me and you door too).

    From the Preface: In just this same way, worldly things usually delude us, and Buddhadharma enlightens. But worldly things enlighten when they are encountered as not just worldly though worldly. The worldly is then precisely Buddhadharma. However, "Buddhadharma"obstructs when it is turned into just some worldly thing.

    We also are reminded of another Koan with Hogen, "not knowing is most intimate." But what kind of "knowing" is this "not knowing"? It is not simple ignorance and lack of education. As well, ordinary "knowing" is actually ignorance for the Zen fellow, because it is limited to a world of this and that, me and you.

    The intimate "not knowing" of the Zen Master is that which shines through all the worldly things ... such that sailing boats do not come and go even as they come and go.

    QUESTIONS (just suggested, talk about anything you want):

    HOW DID YOU GET HERE?

    WHERE DID YOU PARK YOUR CAR?


    DOES THE ZENNY LOGIC OF WHAT I DESCRIBE SEEM CLEAR OR CONFUSING TO YOU?

    HOW MIGHT IT HELP US LIVE OUR LIVES FREE?


    Gassho, J

    PS - For those new to Koans, some tips on reading the book can be found here ...

    Dear All, Well, the moment has come to begin our reflecting, dancing, living the 100 Koans of the Book of Equanimity ... We are going to try a great experiment, seeing how these Koans may be brought to life in our lives ... feeling how each resonates in our heart, and the Wisdom each carves into our bones. At the core
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    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE
  • Myosha
    Member
    • Mar 2013
    • 2974

    #2
    Originally posted by Jundo
    We return to our play in the Koans of the Book of Equanimity, and Shishin Wick's down to earth, wonderful commentary. This time, Case 51 - Hogen's "By Boat or By Land" (For those who have not purchased the book, or are waiting for arrival, it is here):




    QUESTIONS:

    HOW DID YOU GET HERE?

    WHERE DID YOU PARK YOUR CAR?

    Hello,

    Always deferred to the 'little one in the canoe'.^^


    Gassho
    Myosha sat today
    Last edited by Myosha; 05-14-2016, 01:19 PM.
    "Recognize suffering, remove suffering." - Shakyamuni Buddha when asked, "Uhm . . .what?"

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    • Meishin
      Member
      • May 2014
      • 878

      #3
      Hello,

      I'll be traveling (though going nowhere) for the rest of the month. Will join in the discussion then (though I will have been part of the discussion all along). I've enjoyed being back at Treeleaf, but as Jundo reminded me I never really left. The zenny logic is clear, and it is not.

      Gassho
      Meishin
      sat today

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      • Jakuden
        Member
        • Jun 2015
        • 6141

        #4
        HOW DID YOU GET HERE? I live here.

        WHERE DID YOU PARK YOUR CAR? In the garage.

        DOES THE ZENNY LOGIC OF WHAT I DESCRIBE SEEM CLEAR OR CONFUSING TO YOU? I think it is similar to what I have been learning here for the past year. Not knowing can be enlightenment, and knowing can be ignorance.

        HOW MIGHT IT HELP US LIVE OUR LIVES FREE? Perhaps in this case, it helps us live our lives freely because we don't always have to look deeply into things for enlightenment.... it is already there. Like the car parked in the garage.

        Or, I could be totally off the mark.

        Gassho,
        Jakuden
        SatToday

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        • Onkai
          Senior Priest-in-Training
          • Aug 2015
          • 3156

          #5
          • I was directed here by an ad in Tricycle magazine, I believe. It may have been a different magazine.
          • I don't drive, but the car is in the driveway
          • The zenny logic of what you describe is contradictory, but it reminds me to pay attention.
          • It may lead us to wisdom and away from ignorance.


          I was glad for the commentary. Without the commentary, the whole thing would have just gone over my head.

          Gassho,
          Onkai
          SatToday
          美道 Bidou Beautiful Way
          恩海 Onkai Merciful/Kind Ocean

          I have a lot to learn; take anything I say that sounds like teaching with a grain of salt.

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          • Mp

            #6
            Thank you Jundo ...

            HOW DID YOU GET HERE? I was always here! How do I get to a place I never left? By allowing my delusion to fall away and to see life in its true form.

            WHERE DID YOU PARK YOUR CAR? What car?

            DOES THE ZENNY LOGIC OF WHAT I DESCRIBE SEEM CLEAR OR CONFUSING TO YOU? I am "clearly confused" ... and yet the truth is still right here.

            HOW MIGHT IT HELP US LIVE OUR LIVES FREE? For me it helps in supporting to be open and accepting of what life has to offer in all its forms. Whether here or there, whether confused or understood, all is good practice, all the time. =)

            Gassho
            Shingen

            s@today
            Last edited by Guest; 05-15-2016, 05:05 AM.

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            • Jishin
              Member
              • Oct 2012
              • 4821

              #7
              BOOK OF EQUANIMITY - Case 51

              HOW DID YOU GET HERE?

              - Walk.

              WHERE DID YOU PARK YOUR CAR?

              - Point to car.

              DOES THE ZENNY LOGIC OF WHAT I DESCRIBE SEEM CLEAR OR CONFUSING TO YOU?

              - Originally nothing. Want confuse? Have confuse. Want clear? Have clear.

              HOW MIGHT IT HELP US LIVE OUR LIVES FREE?

              -You already know.

              Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_
              Last edited by Jishin; 05-15-2016, 04:39 AM.

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              • Jundo
                Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                • Apr 2006
                • 41064

                #8
                It is not about cute or witty answers. You have to feel this and see through it ... and when you do, it truly does not matter whether you call a door a "door" or a window. In such case, it is not about what you say or don't say.

                You know where you came from, where you are going.

                That being so ... HOW DID YOU GET HERE? WHAT'S YOUR RIDE?

                Gassho, J

                SatToday
                ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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                • Jishin
                  Member
                  • Oct 2012
                  • 4821

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Jundo
                  HOW DID YOU GET HERE? WHAT'S YOUR RIDE?
                  You brought me here. I ride on your back.

                  Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_

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                  • Jishin
                    Member
                    • Oct 2012
                    • 4821

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Jundo
                    It is not about cute or witty answers. You have to feel this and see through it ... and when you do, it truly does not matter whether you call a door a "door" or a window. In such case, it is not about what you say or don't say.

                    You know where you came from, where you are going.

                    That being so ... HOW DID YOU GET HERE? WHAT'S YOUR RIDE?

                    Gassho, J

                    SatToday
                    On a more serious note. Everything I see, hear, smell, taste, touch or think is me. When I see Jundo I see me and I am not psychotic. You are my face. I feel this in my bones. Everything I have ever seen or thought. It's all me. Everything that sees me. It's me. Everything I will ever see or think. It's me. I feel this in my bones. I truly do. Everything you ever wrote was written by me. I feel this 100% in my bones. And so do you. All my good Zenny answers. All my bad ones. Everything. Me. 100%. Also written by you. This being so, my cute or witty answers are true and witty answers. Just that. And if they are pretentious. They are just that. 100%.

                    But this is mind zen.

                    Compassion zen is the hard part for me. It requires action. I am a doctor. I have lots of compassion and act on it. But not enough to go around all the time. And this is ok. It's just Jishin.

                    I got here the same way you did. My ride is your ride. Don't know.

                    Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_

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                    • Amelia
                      Member
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 4980

                      #11
                      No coming, no going, and no car.
                      Where is the boundary between one place and another?

                      Sat today, gassho
                      求道芸化 Kyūdō Geika
                      I am just a priest-in-training, please do not take anything I say as a teaching.

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                      • Eishuu

                        #12
                        On reading the koan and commentary through for the first time I felt very confused. I think maybe that's a good thing. I'm going to let it settle for a few days and come back to it. It feels like something that needs some time.

                        Gassho
                        Lucy
                        Sat today

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                        • Jika
                          Member
                          • Jun 2014
                          • 1337

                          #13
                          When I see Jundo I see me and I am not psychotic.
                          That's good. You'd have more space for tattoos again. Probably.

                          Everything but Wick's commentary drives me crazy.
                          Why should I not call a boat a boat, why think up a mystical answer?
                          I'd rather take the sixty blows with a stick (easy to say when Jundo is in Japan), than try to explain why it does not matter if you write "mind" or "window" or "?" above your window.

                          12-16 times a month now I come from a place where a window is "?", and therefore I take the bus.
                          (And this "?" is a delusion too. But I prefer a window being quite a window again, thank you.)

                          I think I've strained my association cortex.
                          Teacher, please tell me to leave this club and go sit

                          Jika
                          #sattodayfacing?
                          治 Ji
                          花 Ka

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                          • Jakuden
                            Member
                            • Jun 2015
                            • 6141

                            #14
                            My reply was keeping in mind the journey I have taken learning about Zen... at first Mountains and Rivers are just Mountains and Rivers... then after awhile they are no longer Mountains and Rivers.... then after awhile longer, they are just Mountains and Rivers again.

                            "How I got here" conjures up more feelings and images than words. I live here, but my living here is the culmination of all my ancestors, their ancestors, the creatures that first walked up on the land from the sea, the cooling of the Earth after the Big Bang... and no knowing of origins beyond that. It is also the mundane fact of my having driven here in my car after leaving work yesterday, having bought a house on this particular piece of land in Upstate New York, having acquired a job in this area 23 years ago and moved here, and the fact that I didn't actually get killed in the Blizzard of 93 when I was stupid enough to drive here in it for a job interview. (Can I include the fact that I can't warn my teenagers of this reckless type of behavior and they will repeat it?)

                            So I either don't have an answer for "How I got here," because the answer is endless and infinite... a deep Not Knowing.... or it is just Mountains and Rivers again, e.g. I live here and the car is parked in the garage.

                            Gassho,
                            Jakuden
                            SatToday

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                            • Jakuden
                              Member
                              • Jun 2015
                              • 6141

                              #15
                              P.S. Jika, I love everything you said.

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