BOOK OF EQUANIMITY - Case 10

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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 40999

    #16
    Originally posted by galen
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    I also wonder if we really have a choice other then to get back up and onto that ever chugging train, which goes nothing but straight forward. I seemed to have fallen into the deepest separations between those ties while hearing the train flying by overhead, like many, and yes I wanted to give up and say to the hell with it whats the use, but then again, the only alternative is death or suicide (been there many years back). To grab that handle on the boxcar, of that ever racing train and pull ourselves back up, is the only `real choice we have. I will admit, there has always been something tucked deep inside that does keep me forever searching, and not giving up, and then to find there are ways forward, and that is probably why most of us are on this site. That deeply tucked something, seems to be the Buddha's beckoning and patience, to better direct the Way into our heart of hearts.

    From some of my religious and metaphysical studies over the years, I really like the concept of everything be`ing a blessing. The so-called wrongs, mistakes and even when hurting someones feelings, come back at you for the lessons that only Kama, what goes around, can teach. As you and most of us know, to know what is this so-called right, for the most part, it seems we have to know this wrong first. And besides, it seemingly is all perception and a judgement, and a lot of time another's projection. Thank you for letting me do my speech and your kind words.




    galen
    Hi Galen,

    Well, the analogy was "trail" not "train" (my typo), but it works just as well!

    Yes, everything on the trail ... or train ... is Buddha, including our wrongs, mistakes and hurtful actions. Also, there is no way to fall off the train ... or trail. Nonetheless, there are careful and smart ways to walk or ride and not fall and get hurt (or hurt our travel companions ... all just us, and us them by the way, as is the whole Trail/Train too!).

    I am glad you did not proceed to suicide, for life is this walk ... or ride straight ahead.

    Gassho, J
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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    • galen
      Member
      • Feb 2012
      • 322

      #17
      Originally posted by Jundo
      Hi Galen,

      Well, the analogy was "trail" not "train" (my typo), but it works just as well!

      Yes, everything on the trail ... or train ... is Buddha, including our wrongs, mistakes and hurtful actions. Also, there is no way to fall off the train ... or trail. Nonetheless, there are careful and smart ways to walk or ride and not fall and get hurt (or hurt our travel companions ... all just us, and us them by the way, as is the whole Trail/Train too!).

      I am glad you did not proceed to suicide, for life is this walk ... or ride straight ahead.

      Gassho, J
      Well said, Judo....... the term 'Dharma dueling', called hossen in Japanese, was considered an honorable thing back in the early centuries. It was usually carried out or by, two Enlightened monks as a so called joust or battle of 'wit', which could become an extended encounter (i am sure it was not from an egoic stance of one-ups-manship or any winning or losing, but from and intuitive one). Also the term for Dharma dueling between a master and student was called mondo, where the student would ask a question they had been perplexed by, to the master, and of course he would not give the answer through theory or logic, but replying only evoke an answer from the deeper levels of the students intuitive mind. So, I enjoyed our nice passive Dhama duel, Jundo !
      Nothing Special

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      • galen
        Member
        • Feb 2012
        • 322

        #18
        Originally posted by Jundo
        Hi Galen,

        Well, the analogy was "trail" not "train" (my typo), but it works just as well!

        Yes, everything on the trail ... or train ... is Buddha, including our wrongs, mistakes and hurtful actions. Also, there is no way to fall off the train ... or trail. Nonetheless, there are careful and smart ways to walk or ride and not fall and get hurt (or hurt our travel companions ... all just us, and us them by the way, as is the whole Trail/Train too!).

        I am glad you did not proceed to suicide, for life is this walk ... or ride straight ahead.

        Well said Jundo....... the term 'Dharma dueling', called hossen in Japanese, was considered an honorable thing back in the early centuries. It was usually carried out or by, two Enlightened monks as a so called joust or battle of 'wit', which could become an extended encounter (i am sure it was not from an egoic stance of one-ups-manship or any winning or losing, but from an intuitive one). Also the term for Dharma dueling between a master and student was called mondo, where the student would ask a question they had been perplexed by, to the master, and of course he would not give the answer through theory or logic, but replying only to evoke an answer from the deeper levels of the students intuitive mind. So, I enjoyed our nice passive Dhama duel, Jundo !




        galen
        Last edited by Jundo; 07-31-2012, 01:27 AM.
        Nothing Special

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        • Thane
          Member
          • May 2012
          • 37

          #19
          Hi everyone

          I really like this koan. Good to see a woman playing a central role in a koan. Some of the zen teachers i have admired most have been female.

          In answer to Jundo's question i try to focus on each moment and focus my spiritual searches on my daily activity as that is where Manjusri is to be found. However, there are times, perhaps a busy day in the office, where i catch myself dreaming of the lonely peak where i could be free to do real practice. The old ladies wise words help pull me back.

          Gassho

          Thane

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          • Jiken
            Member
            • Jan 2011
            • 753

            #20
            Just walking.

            Daido

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            • andyZ
              Member
              • Aug 2011
              • 303

              #21
              Knowing where to find Manjushri is only half, you also need to take steps and actions to get there. This is what this koan is pointing to. In every single place you go you always have a chance to embody the wisdom of Manjushri and compassion of Avalokiteshvara. And the instructions are absolutely the same whether you're a monk or a venerable old master – just go right ahead.
              Last edited by andyZ; 07-31-2012, 05:07 PM.
              Gassho,
              Andy

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              • Jiken
                Member
                • Jan 2011
                • 753

                #22
                Andy I think that was beautifully put!

                Gassho

                Daido

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                • Rich
                  Member
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 2615

                  #23
                  We go straight ahead but we don’t. Know what we are going to find. So take care and enjoy one step at a time.
                  _/_
                  Rich
                  MUHYO
                  無 (MU, Emptiness) and 氷 (HYO, Ice) ... Emptiness Ice ...

                  https://instagram.com/notmovingmind

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                  • AlanLa
                    Member
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 1405

                    #24
                    My search takes me to various things, but the point of the search and all the things I find on that search is just a means to reflect back on me. Maybe what I am searching for is better reflection tools to see "me" better, deeper. I do know, now, that it's not out there somewhere, at all.

                    You know, the world is round, so, theoretically speaking, no matter what direction you go you end up back at the same place. The zen circle, enso, is the same way; you always end back at the beginning. I am the same way, no matter what direction I go, or search, I will always end up back at "I," so might as well go straight ahead.
                    AL (Jigen) in:
                    Faith/Trust
                    Courage/Love
                    Awareness/Action!

                    I sat today

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                    • Ekai
                      Member
                      • Feb 2011
                      • 672

                      #25
                      QUESTION - On your spiritual searches, where are you looking? Are you looking in the right places? Where do you think the mountain and Manjusri are to be found?

                      There is no need to search for the Manjusri and the mountain because it exists right here, right now within ourselves. Instead of searching or looking elsewhere or going straight forward, I try to see straight through the ego, delusions, concepts and ignorance to see the Dharma and my true self while being with things just as they are. Wiping away the dirt that clouds the vision creates clarity to see that the wisdom of Manjusri is found in our hearts and mind.

                      Gassho,
                      Ekai

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                      • Tb
                        Member
                        • Jan 2008
                        • 3186

                        #26
                        Hi.

                        I have nothing to add that has not already been said.

                        Mtfbwy
                        Fugen
                        Life is our temple and its all good practice
                        Blog: http://fugenblog.blogspot.com/

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                        • Koshin
                          Member
                          • Feb 2012
                          • 938

                          #27
                          I've always had some need to seek answers to certain questions on the spiritual plane, and always thought it would be in some kind of knowledge, some outside source .... I'm not so sure anymore, and I guess that's good ...


                          When the monk stood before the old woman and asked where to find the mountain, she replied: "Straight ahead".... She was talking about what was straight ahead of her point of view: The monk

                          Gassho
                          Thank you for your practice

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                          • Shugen
                            Member
                            • Nov 2007
                            • 4532

                            #28
                            QUESTION - On your spiritual searches, where are you looking? Are you looking in the right places? Where do you think the mountain and Manjusri are to be found?
                            Where I look now isn't where I looked at first. I'm increasingly finding there is no where to look. ImageUploadedByTapatalk1344174946.393372.jpg

                            Ron




                            Shugen
                            Meido Shugen
                            明道 修眼

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                            • Kyonin
                              Dharma Transmitted Priest
                              • Oct 2010
                              • 6748

                              #29
                              On your spiritual searches, where are you looking? Are you looking in the right places? Where do you think the mountain and Manjusri are to be found?

                              It's funny but I don't do any spiritual search at all. I just do things when the time feels right with no previous idea or plan. I sit and observe life around me and walk.

                              I climb the Buddha Mountain every day, one step at a time without thinking on what's next.

                              Gassho,

                              Kyonin
                              Hondō Kyōnin
                              奔道 協忍

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                              • Myoku
                                Member
                                • Jul 2010
                                • 1491

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Jundo
                                On your spiritual searches, where are you looking? Are you looking in the right places? Where do you think the mountain and Manjusri are to be found?
                                Thank you for going through these koans with us!

                                I must admit I have bit of a problem with "spiritual search", maybe I just dont can do much with this term. Basically my spiritual journey was driven by searching solutions for very day to day problems of me. Usually this led to reading a book, as opposed to most people I seem to learn better from books then from teachers usually.

                                I dont think that there are right and wrong places, and not just from the point of absolute truth. I think thats as long as we look, no matter where, as long as we search, there is the problem. Not trying to solve a problem can be the solution, and in this sense, every place we look, we search is a wrong place.

                                I'm not sure about Manjusri, but I think wisdom comes when we allow it to come. As long as the mind is filled with tv-shows (I mean my own, the ones that are just seem to be received out of nowhere about what I have to do and how ...), as long as the mind is filled, there is few space left for wisdom to grow. Thus I think its safe to say Manjusri finds me when I sit down, let go (aka "you cannot find Chuck Norris, Chuck Norris finds you!" Which is just another spontaneous tv-spot that pops in my head this moment).

                                _()_
                                Myoku

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