BOOK OF EQUANIMITY, case 9

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  • Shogen
    Member
    • Dec 2008
    • 301

    #46
    Originally posted by Taigu
    Now with the poor cat.

    Now with the shocking koan. Are we involved in Cat slicing? Is Zen a way to cut flesh and bones and marrow of poor and inocent animals? The Bible is also filled with these sacrificial stuff, where brother kills his own brother, where even God allows his Son to perish on the Cross.

    Are we a blood-thirsty tradition? I don't think so. The point of Nansen is clear. The whole assembly is dead silent. What is silent : their mouth, their head, their heart? When asked to speak, should they necessarily speak? What is required if anything here? Please dig this. Pick up the knife of investigation and have a go at your joints, life-blood vessels, cut down this blind mass of understanding. What is behind?

    So Nansen challenges the assembly. "If you can say a word, I won't cut it? The assembly made no response. Nanzen cut the cat in two". What is cutting the cat? Who is doing it? You see, I often do it, I am a cat-cutter if I look at this being a sharp and witty way to represent to represent dualistic thinking. That's all we do, all day, cutting the world into pieces, cutting others from ourselves, cutting here from now, separating mind and body, looking at things or people being good or bad, great and not so great, going at war everyday from morning to evening and preaching peace with our dead lips. The words of reason, the law of men or gods, they all divide, painfully so reality itself. Killing the cat, everything bleeds.

    Cutting is wise, cutting is great, cutting into one is the deepest and real answer. The action that cuts everything, even the cutting itself. How do we cut things into one, how do we behold the sword that slashes things into oneness, or rather into neither one, nor two? In our life, how to manifest this. cutting the cat into life, cutting others into oneself and oneself into others? How to we stop with the slaughter of everything and everyone?

    Joshu's answer? What is it? Where do we get the real answer from? Where do we speak from when the world bleeds?

    The story goes, a cat died. Every week many animals have to die to feed me. I don't kill them myself. I leave that to others. My family was a family of hunters so I grew up with animal corpses laying in the bathroom, wild rabbits, pigeons, even good cuts of dears and wild bores. I left that karma of killing and worshipping guns behind but I did not leave the karma of killing the world, of cutting reality into pieces. And then looking at the mess and wanting to solve the jigsaw puzzle. Not until I met this path. The path made it so clear that I was the war I wanted to erradicate, I was the quarrel, the fight, the noise, the mess...

    So how does this practice makes two into one?


    gassho


    Taigu
    Compassion.
    gassho, Shogen

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    • Ekai
      Member
      • Feb 2011
      • 672

      #47
      So how does this practice makes two into one?

      For me, this practice doesn't make two into one but helps me see that everything is one. Seeing through the delusions, attachments and the ego to simply just be. Letting go of the ego allows for clear seeing and the capacity to respond with compassion and wisdom rises. If the monks could see that everything is one and were willing to let go of their egos, maybe they would have responded with compassion towards the cat by telling Nansen to stop instead of being crippled by their dualistic views and fears of not looking good in front of the teacher and the other monks.

      Just my 2 cents anyway.

      Gassho,
      Ekai

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      • Jundo
        Treeleaf Founder and Priest
        • Apr 2006
        • 40288

        #48
        This Koan resonates for me with the prior Koan in the collection, the Zen Master Fox. Was Nansen subject to Karma for killing this cat, or free of Karma all along?

        YES! For never a cat to cut in two, and never a "two" or a Nansen from the start. However, if Nansen murdered the cat, Nansen must pay the price nonetheless.

        At times in Buddhist history, swordsman and soldiers used such absolutist reasoning to say that killing human beings in war was also free of Karma ... that there ultimately was no one to kill, no sword and no killer. So, this doctrine is very dangerous, and we must be careful. We must remember that there is also a price to pay in any act of violence.

        That is why I do not think that Nansen, as an Ordained Buddhist Priest, actually killed the cat (if the story is even a historical event). Buddhist Priests are sometimes iconoclasts, but there are certain lines even a priest won't step over (and even though, in old China, cats may have been thought of as no more than pests and vermin ... about like killing a rat in the kitchen). Thus, cutting the cat in two is figurative ... or better said, the cat and the whole world are cut in two (divided this from that, self from other, life from death) by the arguing monks who cannot pierce Wholeness. If a monk had spoken the right word of Wholeness, the cat would be saved from death ... for in Wholeness, no birth no death and no cat to save. It is much as we vow to "Save All Sentient Beings" in part by teaching Sentient Beings that there are no Sentient Beings in need of saving from the start! The sword cuts into One!

        Joshu spoke such a demonstrative word of Wholeness by placing his shoes on his head. Some say this is a sign of mourning the dead in old China, mourning the poor blind monks as much as the cat. Some say that Joshu's meaning is that the arguing monks were seeing things upside down ... like being worn by a pair of shoes instead of wearing them. In any case, Joshu spoke Wholeness in a world of birth and death, saved the cat ... never in need of saving.

        Gassho, J
        Last edited by Jundo; 07-27-2012, 01:48 AM.
        ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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        • galen
          Member
          • Feb 2012
          • 322

          #49
          Thank you, Jundo, nice!

          "Thus, cutting the cat in two is figurative ... or better said, the cat and the whole world are cut in two (divided this from that, self from other, life from death)"...... and seemingly dividing our self from Self, maybe the most important aspect to being this Wholeness.

          "It is much as we vow to "Save All Sentient Beings" in part by teaching Sentient Beings that there are no Sentient Beings in need of saving from the start!"...... already in your knowingness, Jundo, of course, the Ultimate saving All Sentient Beingness is at the highest form of Enlightenment, it can only happen by saving ourSelf first and foremost; nothing that you can learn here from me , just sayin.

          Thank you for this insightful teaching !!




          galen
          Last edited by galen; 07-26-2012, 06:08 PM.
          Nothing Special

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          • Risho
            Member
            • May 2010
            • 3179

            #50
            Interesting about saving sentient beings. When I first start things I'm an eager beaver. I want to be what I'm idealizing so badly! If I could just be a Zen practitioner, like the carefree masters in the texts I would be free of problems! I've got to save those sentient beings! But after ideals have faded and the reality of practice blossoms saving sentient beings by trying to help is arrogant and presumptuous. Most of the time its about not being such an a-hole. Its really the simple things like not ripping someones head off because they said the wrong thing. Perhaps they are having a bad day and I could share a smile.

            Sorry for the rambling. Thanks Jundo

            Gassho

            Risho
            Email: risho.treeleaf@gmail.com

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            • BrianW
              Member
              • Oct 2008
              • 511

              #51
              Hi all,

              I must say that I’m with Dosho on having some difficulty getting “gummed up” with the issue of compassion for the cat. In the reading the author makes the statement, “ Hundreds and thousands of animals are killed every day, but none of these deaths is a sacrifice for our liberation. Nansen sacrificed the life of one cat for the liberation of hundreds of millions of beings.” Sorry, but that really bothered me and I have been “stuck on it” for the last couple weeks.

              Thank you Jundo for adding,
              That is why I do not think that Nansen, as an Ordained Buddhist Priest, actually killed the cat (if the story is even a historical event). Buddhist Priests are sometimes iconoclasts, but there are certain lines even a priest won't step over (and even though, in old China, cats may have been thought of as no more than pests and vermin ... about like killing a rat in the kitchen).
              I really enjoyed Willow and Taigu's back and forth on Willow's cut/suture metaphor.

              And Alan.r, I too am a Wilco fan....nice quote relating to our reading. Perhaps this next one is not directly related, but I can't help myself from adding:

              "I would like to salute
              The ashes of American flags
              And all the fallen leaves
              Filling up shopping bags"

              Gassho,
              Jisen/BrianW

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              • Dosho
                Member
                • Jun 2008
                • 5784

                #52
                Thanks Brian...this really helped me too. I had trouble getting past Nansen, in my mind, essentially saying, "Say something boys or I'll commit murder!" I might have been a bit stunned too and would have been rather shocked that my teacher killed an innocent being. But of course we have to see beyond that (not one, not two) and our human conditioning (both good and bad) gets in the way sometimes.

                Gassho,
                Dosho

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                • Shugen
                  Treeleaf Unsui
                  • Nov 2007
                  • 4535

                  #53
                  I've heard this koan so many times, it's good to get under the surface. I'm very literal minded, so have trouble with these things. It seems I'm either over thinking everything or ignoring everything. Cutting, cutting - "this is important, that isn't".

                  Ron




                  Shugen
                  Meido Shugen
                  明道 修眼

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                  • galen
                    Member
                    • Feb 2012
                    • 322

                    #54
                    Originally posted by rculver
                    I've heard this koan so many times, it's good to get under the surface. I'm very literal minded, so have trouble with these things. It seems I'm either over thinking everything or ignoring everything. Cutting, cutting - "this is important, that isn't".

                    Ron




                    Shugen

                    Ron,

                    Boy can I relate. About 30 years ago when I became a searcher and was more into what they call metaphysical type concepts, I was often told I was to much in my head..... thinking to much and over analyzing everything, and while that has been tempered, its still there. Maybe thats why we are here, and I am sure there are a few here who have been going through the same thing. It could be more of an Americanized problem with our culture. The middle road/ground is some times the hardest thing to navigate, when no navigation is needed.

                    _/\_

                    galen
                    Nothing Special

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