Grass Hut - 19 - "Transcended Space and Time"

[Jundo]

Hi,

We turn to Chapter 15 ...

So, let me ask ... "Have you ever transcended space and time ... Not dwelling South or North, East or West?" ...

How's one manage that?

Gassho, J

[Jika]

Being a mouth in empty space.

Gassho,
Danny
#dingdong

[Jishin]

How's one manage that?

Don't know.

Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_

[Joyo]

Hi,

We turn to Chapter 15 ...

So, let me ask ... "Have you ever transcended space and time ... Not dwelling South or North, East or West?" ...

How's one manage that?

Gassho, J

This is where the rubber meets to road so to speak. More open-minded people think it's "cool" or 'interesting" to practice Zen, but this is the reality of it all, which is not really cool or hip in any way...... being one with what is instead of wanting things to be something else. This has really deepened my practice over the past week. Catching the mind when wishing for things to be different, realizing it is all just as it is. There is no north without the south, no mountain without the sun etc. etc. The separateness of things is what makes them one.

"When you just sit in silence
the wind blows through you,
the sun shines in you
and you realize,
you are not your body,
you are everything" --Anita Krizzan


Gassho,
Joyo
sat today

[Mp]

Thank you Jundo,

I have the feeling to transcend space and time, North and South, left and right, up and down ... I must embrace and be accepting of those moments just as they are; to be the North and South, space and time, up and down ... to let the division/separation in my mind fall away and allow transcendence to naturally come. =)

Having no destination, I am never lost. - Ikkyu

Gassho
Shingen

#sattoday

[Risho]

Yes

I don't manage it.

Gassho,

Risho
-sattoday

[Jika]

Yes

I don't manage it.

How's one manage that?

Good point, Risho.

Gassho,
Danny
#sattoday

[Myosha]

Hi,

We turn to Chapter 15 ...

So, let me ask ... "Have you ever transcended space and time ... Not dwelling South or North, East or West?" ...

How's one manage that?

Gassho, J

Hello,

Working on the big ships for most of the 1980's there is "the day before the day before" shore-leave ends. As the author Stephen King put it, "trip".
Surrounded by loved ones we embarked on a movie called ' The Wrath of Khan'. Intentionally unintentional the playback of the video is interrupted by gaps in the story, electric glitches, and (to me) hilarity.
Sainted friend (and supplier of the mushrooms) looked in our eyes and simply suggested, "Please stop adjusting the laser disk with your mind."
Did so.


Gassho
Myosha sat today

P.S. The above is romantic trash. Privileged to witness the firstborn take his own breath. No time, your space. Enjoy

[Jeremy]

Have you ever transcended space and time?

No idea.

How's one manage that?

Let go of the map and the clock.


Gassho
Jeremy
SatToday

[Byrne]

If I have I've forgotten about it.

Gassho

Sat Today

[tom1957]

This chapter reminds me of the philosophical thought experiment relating to the question of : if a tree falls in a forest and no living being is present is there a sound ?

I believe the answer is no as sound is created by the eardrum and brain. Similar thought experiments relate to the question: which sound is closer one to feet away or half a mile away ? I say they are equally close as they are heard in our mind.

Is this transcending time and space ?

Is this what this chapter is referring to ?

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[Jishin]

Grass Hut - 19 - "Transcended Space and Time"

If a tree falls in a forest and no living being is present is there a sound ?

Whack!

Which sound is closer one to feet away or half a mile away ?

Bang!

Is this transcending time and space ?

ACHOO!

Is this what this chapter is referring to ?

Hard to say.

Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_

[Rich]

No time, no space. Just sitting.

SAT today

[Jundo]

This chapter reminds me of the philosophical thought experiment relating to the question of : if a tree falls in a forest and no living being is present is there a sound ?

I believe the answer is no as sound is created by the eardrum and brain. Similar thought experiments relate to the question: which sound is closer one to feet away or half a mile away ? I say they are equally close as they are heard in our mind.

Be cautious, perhaps, about being overly analytical about some questions. Perhaps the True Sound" of falling trees is not heard merely with the ears. Thus, all Zen guys tossed out Koany responses such as "hear with the eyes, see with the ears" or "no ear at all." Dogen spoken of the trees and rivers preaching the Dharma. Anyway, where is there for this "tree" to "fall"?

The National Teacher Dazheng of Guangzhai si in the Western Capital of the land of the Great Tang was once asked by a monk, “Can the insentient preach the dharma?”
The National Teacher said, “They’re constantly preaching with ardor; they preach without pause.”
The monk said, “Why can’t I hear it?”
The National Teacher said, “That you can’t hear it doesn’t prevent others from hearing it.”
The monk said, “I don’t understand. Who can hear it?”
The National Teacher said, “The sages can hear it.”
The monk said, “Can the Reverend hear it?”
The National Teacher said, “I can’t hear it.”
The monk said, “If the Reverend can’t hear it, how does he know that the insentient preach the dharma?”
The National Teacher said, “Fortunately, I don’t hear it. If I heard it, I would equal the sages, and you wouldn’t hear me preaching the dharma.”
The monk said, “In this case, living beings have no part in this.”
The National Teacher said, “I preach for living beings; I don’t preach for sages.”
The monk said, “After the living beings hear it, how are they?”
The National Teacher said, “They’re not living beings.”

Dogen commented ...

To snatch away the voices of the sentient realm and liken them to the voices of the insentient realm is not the way of the buddha. The insentient preaching the dharma is not necessarily sound, just as preaching the dharma by the sentient is not sound. ... Such being the case, we should carefully put our minds to and study in what manner it is that the insentient preach the dharma. One who considers, as the foolish think, that the rustling branches of the forests, the opening and falling of leaves and flowers, are the insentient preaching the dharma — this is not a man who studies the buddha dharma. If this were the case, who could not know the preaching of the insentient, who could not hear the preaching of the insentient? ...

... and hearing beyond and right thru measures of time ...

“If we use our ears to hear it, it’s hard in the end to understand” means that, even if they be the divine ear, even if they be the dharma ear that fills the world, that fills time, if we think to “use the ear to hear it,” “it’s hard in the end to understand.” Even if there are ears on walls or ears on staffs, they will not understand the insentient preaching the dharma; for it is not sound. It is not that there is no “if we use our ears to hear it,” but even though we spend the concentrated efforts of a hundred thousand kalpas [incredibly long eras of time], “it’s hard in the end to understand.” Since it is the deportment of the one way beyond sound and sight, it is not the dens and caves in the vicinity of the commoner or sage

http://stanford.edu/group/scbs/sztp3/translations/shobogenzo/translations/mujo_seppo/translation.html

If a tree falls in a forest and no living being is present is there a sound ?

Whack!

Which sound is closer one to feet away or half a mile away ?

Bang!

Hi Jishin,

Be cautious, perhaps, about over-reliance on easy koany-like responses. Be more analytical.

Gassho, J

SatToday

[Jishin]

Hi Jundo,

I am not a good word smith.

Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_