Grass Hut - 16 - "Don't Judge"

[Jundo]

Hi,

We are on Chapter 12, "Don't Judge" ... "The middling or lowly can't help wondering" ...

We live in a world in which people are rated for ability, and we constantly judge each person we meet. Do you think that you can also learn to encounter people leaving aside all judgements, knowing each as precious? What would that be like?

For the last several years, I volunteer for a couple of hours each week at a center here in Tsukuba for profoundly mentally challenged young adults, with Down's Syndrome, Autism and the like such that most do not have the power of verbal speech, and struggle even with simple tasks such as slipping on their own shoes. I will just say that being loving, warm, caring people has nothing to do with any verbal ability or mental skills, and most are so easy to be with even when things are tough. I always leave there feeling so good. I think many of them are among the nicest, most open, direct and honest people I know ... and I respect them more in that way than some folks I know with advanced degrees and fancy diplomas. This is one reason I resist to say that they are "slow" ... because, while they may be so by some functional measures for some skills ... in other ways I consider most of them so capable at being good "human" human beings.

Here is their public blog, and you can get a sense just by looking at their faces (the full time staff there is pretty great too).

http://polannohiroba.blog.fc2.com/page-2.html

Gassho, J

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[Myosha]

Hello,

Thank you for the link.


Gassho
Myosha sat today

[Kyotai]

It wasn't until I found this practice that I discovered a space where looking at someone without judgement was possible. I try to do this by seeing myself in his or her shoes. I of course stumble at times.

"In sutra after sutra he meets people and offers them his presence...
..whether they are kings, monks, farmers, a naked and crazed woman...or the most reviled and feared murderer in the land."

And Dogen..

"make no distinction between the dull and sharp witted.."

Those statements are profound.

Ive learned in my practice that striving for that ideal, that perfection is a waste of time. It feels a little like chasing something you already have. In this moment, without the filter of judgement...

all there is, is compassion and service for others. From my perspective, that's what it would look like.

Thank you for the link. Google translate is a wonderful thing

, Kyotai
Sat today

[Jika]

Thank you for the link.
I'd like to see the star cap again, please, if appropriate, it looks good. (Not to break the no-fancy-hats-rule, but...)

Since I have the personal experience of various states between so-called vegetable, non-verbal and high-functioning (though a bit weird), I see these distinctions only as a means to be helpful.
In treatment, or in social welfare.
So I carefully make distinctions to be able to drop distinctions.
Knowing how exactly a persons disability or functional level at a time can influence what she will be able to do herself will allow both sides to interact more freely.
Like, I called my table tennis partner who is hemiplegic "a lazy smurf" for not even picking up one ball in training, seeing that he can very well do that and does as soon as we are counting points and he is winning .

Regarding the poem, I am wondering if some lines could be seen in context:
A Great Vehicle Bodhisattva trusts without doubt.
The middling or lowly can't help wondering;
Will this hut perish or not?

While the Bodhisattva understands impermanence and embraces it, "all others" are still troubled by questions.
Ben's retranslations "Us humans..." would then be "All us ordinary humans (still) worry; will this hut perish or not?".

Gassho,
Danny
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[Mp]

Thank you Jundo ... I really like what Ben says here,

I'd like to do away with the idea that any horse is better than any other. They al just want to have pasture, room to roam, some tasty grass, maybe a carrot for a treat; if one won't run, we can enjoy watching it walk.

For me, this brings home that putting aside all judgements, worry, and conditions allows us to see that we are all equal and are just wanting/needing the same things in this life. =)

Gassho
Shingen

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[Joyo]

Thank you, Jundo and everyone. This book and these discussions has helped me so much with my daily Zen practice.

This conversation reminds me of a facebook discussion this morning. Somebody posted a link blaming the Charleston shooting on anti-intellectualism. Of course, this got a string of posts, everyone with a finger to point at a different group to blame-----it's fundamentalisms fault, it's lack of gun control, it's anti-intellectualism, he was a Nazi so it's evolutionary teaching's fault...etc, etc. I chimed in with the thought that perhaps it's any of these things, but doesn't it all boil down to hate/tribalistic/dualistic thinking...what what can we do, as a society to help change this. Gosh, the responses I got....people agreed with me, and then continued on saying "it's the bible's fault, it support slavery" etc. etc. I too did not know it was possible to live a life without dividing others into groups, until I came to Treeleaf. It's how I was raised, and it's a very difficult mindset to change, after it being drilled into my head as a child for years and years. But it's not impossible, practicing, quietly, and allowing love in your heart...the borders are softened.

Gassho
Joyo
sat today

[Meishin]

Hi,

I can't stop judging thoughts. But I can let the judging thoughts float away.

Gassho
Meishin
sat today

[Mp]

Hi,

I can't stop judging thoughts. But I can let the judging thoughts float away.

Gassho
Meishin
sat today

Agreed Meishin ... as well, to try our best not to act on those judgements either.

Gassho
Shingen

#sattoday

[Ekai]

I try to let go of judgements, but I fail to do so at times. I remind myself that we all come from many different walks of life. You never really know how much pain someone is in. They could be suffering deeply that results in poor behavior. Or have a pattern of bad habits that was born from their upbringing. Who am I to judge someone's behavior since I don't know the roots? Even if I do know, I still need to meet them from where they are at and respond with compassion. I think this practice helps to be aware of judging and to let those thoughts go. At least some of the time.

[Jishin]

Hi,

It is not possible not to judge. It is possible to judge with good intent.

Gassho, Jishin, _/st\_

[Mp]

Hi,

It is not possible not to judge. It is possible to judge with good intent.

Gassho, Jishin, _/st\_

Yes, very good point. =)

Gassho
Shingen

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[Myosha]

Hi,

It is not possible not to judge. It is possible to judge with good intent.

Gassho, Jishin, _/st\_

Jundo asked, "Do you think that you can also learn to encounter people leaving aside all judgements, knowing each as precious? What would that be like?"

It is dirty, difficult, tedious, fascinating and head-spinning. It's continually collecting the best and the worst, the clean and the filthy, the bright and the dim, and the distinct with the indistinct.

You know: the usual gang of idiots.


Gassho
Myosha sat today

[Jundo]

Hi,

It is not possible not to judge. It is possible to judge with good intent.

Gassho, Jishin, _/st\_

Hmmm. I feel that it is the human tendency to judge about everything ... good/bad friend/foe beautiful/ugly delicious/distasteful ... or neutral or some combination and a whole bunch of other ways.

However, by this Practice, Just Sitting ... one encounters such which shines right through and as this human tendency, beyond and right through all judgement, manifesting as good/bad friend/foe beautiful/ugly delicious/distasteful neutral and all the rest ...

... and such is, surprisingly, a certain Good Beautiful Friendly Delicious ...

... shining at the heart of friend and foe alike.

Gassho, J

SatToday

[Ernstguitar]

Hi,
I am not shure if I can explain it. But there is again this Jundo´s two-eyes-story. I do belief in miracles as I told you already.And I belief in a non-judging life. - After experiencing the wholeness and part-of the whole-thing (I belief that we are able to exoerience it) we can.
I do belief that, like with helping others, there is a gap. Before you are "prepaired" to help it is dangerous to help gang-people. So, I think it is the same with judging. After a certain time of "training" I think, it is easy with the non-judging live. Easy, becourse you see the "handicap" from a person as a part of the whole (which should be realy beautiful!!!). But I have no idea, if it isn´t a belief, which Jundo would say: "This is why Zen-folks fail"

Gassho, Ernst

sat today

[Jeremy]

Do you think that you can also learn to encounter people leaving aside all judgements, knowing each as precious? What would that be like?

The part of this that sometimes puzzles me is "knowing each as precious" and I wonder why it's not "knowing each as ok". Viewed from a relative viewpoint 'precious' is a very strong value judgement, and saying everything is 'precious' would be like looking at life through rose tinted spectacles. A bit cloying. Likewise, it's one thing to say "Each moment of Zazen is complete, a perfect action, with not one thing to add, not one thing to take away", but to insert 'precious' or 'sacred' into this, e.g. here http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showt...%28Part-XIV%29 (and in lots other posts) is something very different, a value judgement on top of seeing things as they are.

My stab at an answer has three parts. For one, this kind of language is used quite a lot in texts, e.g. Dogen says something like "treat each ingredient (in the kitchen) as if it were your own eyeball". The second part is that 'precious', 'sacred' are descriptions of experience rather than value judgements, i.e. that's what life tastes like after practicing for a while. Part 3 is that it could be a case of "If you treat all things as precious, then they are". What does anyone else think?

Gassho
Jeremy
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