Blue Cliff Record (Case 17) Hsiang Lin's ... Coming from the West

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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 40808

    Blue Cliff Record (Case 17) Hsiang Lin's ... Coming from the West

    Howdy, fellow sitters!

    In Shikantaza, we sit through thick and thin, ups and down, good and bad days, rain and sunshine ... dropping judgements and demands ... thus to find that immeasurable that is both thick and thin, the still centerpoint at the heart of "up vs. down," a Good (Big G) that is all of life's daily goods and bads ... the Clear Boundless Sky present even on the stormiest day.

    In the CASE, the question is about the "meaning of Bodhidharma's having come (to China) from the West (India)," but it is usually taken to be really asking, "What is the true meaning of Zen?"

    The response is the wonderful, "Sitting for a long time becomes toilsome," a pain in the butt, tiring.

    Now, that may refer to Bodhidharma's having sat in the legend, facing a wall for 9 years. But I think it is about how we sit with whatever, even when it is dull or bothersome, and find something at the heart of "toilsome" that is (pardon my pretend French) "toi l'so me" (you are so me!)

    In the POINTER, we just sit with the "gentle ease" that is so forceful it cuts right through iron and nails like butter (with that sword that "uncuts" two into one). We sit without running away from the arrows and swords of life. It is so whole that even a sharp needle cannot enter (how can it enter that without the slightest gap, no inside or outside?) Even when the foaming ways of a great Tsunami are reaching to the sky ... we just sit. We are the sky and the waters! Bodhidharma may have sat for 9 years, but it was only for a moment, for this moment (right now, of your sitting) ... and timeless too.

    The VERSE is subject to various interpretations. I like that we may sit for 1, 2, 1000 or 10,000 hours, and it is like putting down a burden and seeing clearly ... even amid all the burdens in life we carry and the divisions and narrowness we encounter, beyond birth and death, ideas of sacred and profane and all other divisions. the 1 and 10,000 can also mean that, when you sit and liberate your heart, all the beings of the world are liberated at once!

    It is lovely that the poem closes with a reference to a great woman teacher, "Iron Grindstone Liu" (she was known as a tough character.) When sitting, we turn neither left, right, follow from behind or take the lead. But even when we get up from the cushion, turning left or right, ahead or behind, the same unmoving stillness is present.

    QUESTION: Do you find it easy to sit on the hardest days? Is there some way that sitting on the "bad days, the rainy days" is some of the most rewarding practice? Have you experienced sitting beyond the hard times even when you are right up to your neck in a hard time? Please tell any story you have of such a sitting.

    Here is a song about sitting with all the struggles, sadness, doubts that somebody has in their day ...
    .



    Gassho, J
    stlah
    Last edited by Jundo; 12-14-2024, 04:07 AM.
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE
  • Meishin
    Member
    • May 2014
    • 841

    #2
    I discovered a version of Shikantza without a teacher the week after our son was mauled in a random attack by a biker gang. I'd watch the video of the attack, cry, then shut my eyes and allow the images to come and go. At the time it was all I could do. (I'd hacked cognitive-behavioral-therapy.) That led to my joining a Zen Sangha a few weeks later.

    Actually I found it easier to sit while we were in the troubles. Once things shifted back to happier days, sitting became more difficult. Don't matter no nevermore. Sun-faced Buddha, moon-faced Buddha. Just do it and ask questions later.

    Gassho
    Meishin
    stlah

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    • Jundo
      Treeleaf Founder and Priest
      • Apr 2006
      • 40808

      #3
      ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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      • Houzan
        Member
        • Dec 2022
        • 542

        #4
        Sometimes it’s easy. Sometimes hard. But does hard really become easy or was it easy right from the very start? How can anything easy be easy if not at least a bit hard? This is what I learned during this years ango:

        I sat 1,5-2 hrs every night so I often experience torment while sitting. Kokuu recommended me to keep a diary. This was very useful. Reading the diary the variation between torment and bliss became even more apparent than before both between and within a sitting. It helped me to an even larger extent let go of any ideas about what sitting should be. How can you ever let bliss come and go if you can’t let torment come and go as well? It’s the very same thing.

        Gassho, Hōzan
        satlah
        Last edited by Houzan; 12-15-2024, 09:39 AM.

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        • Tairin
          Member
          • Feb 2016
          • 2875

          #5
          It depends. Like Houzan said, sometime it is easy, almost natural. Sometimes it is very hard. I have sat both conditions where life or events seemed so overwhelming I just had to stop and sit. I needed that peace but also needed the space that comes with Shikantaza. On the other hand, I’ve also sat during times where the last thing I really wanted to do was be sitting there. I needed to “do” something. Admittedly I’ve forced myself to sit through those times but other times allowed myself the opportunity to sit a shorter sit and then go deal with whatever. All is good Zazen.


          Tairin
          sat today and lah
          泰林 - Tai Rin - Peaceful Woods

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          • Matt Johnson
            Member
            • Jun 2024
            • 539

            #6
            So for me this is one of the first Koans I have read which speak very directly to the physical and mental difficulty of seated meditation.
            Too often people outside of Zen circles assume that people who are spending all day sitting around doing nothing are in fact relaxing.

            But the reality is that most of us are suffering quite intensely. Worse… it would appear that we are literally doing this to ourselves.

            I know a lot of people who tried to make it look like they were not in pain or like they were not suffering when they were sitting sesshin… and a few people I spoke to said that the first couple of days were painful but after that it wasn't so difficult for them. My experience was very different. The first few sesshins were so painful that I had developed an idea that the whole point of Zen was to induce a masochistic state that left the body without visible signs of self-harm…

            I even connected this concept with the fact that many people who self-harm do so as a way to feel connected to their bodies… to feel real… and then I continued to read around this and began to identify some connections with depersonalization and derealization phenomena…

            I now no longer really feel this way. Or rather it was a way of thinking that helped me at a particular point in my practise.

            Now what's up with that dharma gate of ease and joy anyway? Does it get too toilsome? Only you can decide what that means. Where you set the bar says a lot about the state of your life and practise. What's preventing you from standing up, stretching your legs and going east? What concepts are you clinging to forcing yourself to sit there so stoically for 5, 10, 25 years? The magic is not in the sitting its realising what underlies your motivation to endure your hardship... to be different from how you are... Why is that?

            _/\_
            sat/ah
            matt
            Last edited by Matt Johnson; 12-15-2024, 05:37 PM.

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            • Ramine
              Member
              • Jul 2023
              • 188

              #7
              Rohatsu was a bit of a challenge. I started off with ease but by the end of day 1, I had to sit in a chair because of the discomfort. I chose the middle way and adjusted. Day 2 was easier. (My great realization afterwards was that my zafu needed more filling...). Persevering and sitting through the 2 days was definitely worth it though. My bane right now seems to be dealing with impatience on the zafu, either fighting the inclination to look at the timer, or letting go of the reasons my mind throws at me to interrupt my sitting. Sometimes I look, and sometimes the desire and thoughts vanish into clear sitting. Easy zazen, hard zazen - sometimes zazen, sometimes zaz'aint. But that is the point isn't it? to sit through whatever, and see what goes on... I find that easy and hard come and go as I sit. Some days there is more of one than the other, that's all.

              Ramine
              Sat and Lah

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              • BikeZen
                Member
                • Jan 2024
                • 98

                #8
                QUESTION: Do you find it easy to sit on the hardest days? Is there some way that sitting on the "bad days, the rainy days" is some of the most rewarding practice? Have you experienced sitting beyond the hard times even when you are right up to your neck in a hard time? Please tell any story you have of such a sitting.

                Practically (and bluntly) speaking, sitting on the days when everything else seems to be going to crap, when i have to go to work and deal with challenging situations or people, or dread what stupid things our leaders may do or say (if i slip and see the news), or my heel is causing extreme pain, etc. is the most rewarding because it reconnects me to the moment, helps me see the delusion and attachment of all that other stuff and sets up the most beneficial state of being to address life while not contributing to suffering for myself or others. So, sitting just is. It's easy and toilsome, like life.

                Gassho,
                Bill
                ​​​​​​​Sat

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                • ZenJay
                  Member
                  • Apr 2024
                  • 257

                  #9
                  There are periods of sitting where I feel like I tapped into a deep well of sadness within me. As a young father at the age of 21, I had to bury a lot of my traumas and issues I had growing up, because I had to “grow up” real fast! So over the years I’ve buried all the pain of my life; divorce (both my parents when I was 14 and my own), a shattered family, lost relationships and friends, deaths, frustrations and failures… I had to bury all of it just to function, work, and provide. Now that both of my sons are older, and I have begun to practice regularly, I take time to stop, to allow, which sometimes means, out of nowhere, these memories and feelings will suddenly appear in my mind. Sometimes it brings tears, sometimes anger or resentment, sometimes shame… but what I have found is that practice has allowed me to see these thoughts, feelings, and memories for what they are… simply thoughts, emotions, and memories. Rather than being swept up in them and feeling overwhelmed, I can see the vaporous and transient nature they have a little easier, and am able to let them flow away. Of course, there are easier days than others, but as for my emotional pain, I find that practice has both helped me to bear witness to it and accept it, and then I can try and work on those problems, rather than keep it buried. Just not during Zazen

                  Gassho,
                  Jay

                  sat/lah today

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                  • Chikyou
                    Member
                    • May 2022
                    • 681

                    #10
                    This is a tricky question for me to answer because, though I have bits and pieces of memories of sitting in very difficult times (death, health scares, anxiety, physical pain), after the fact it sort of all blends together. Good zazen, bad zazen, zazen where all is peace and zazen where I can’t focus worth a darn - it’s all zazen in the end. Throughout my time practicing, zazen has been one big exercise in accepting things as they are at that moment.

                    Gassho,
                    SatLah,
                    Chikyō
                    Chikyō 知鏡
                    (KellyLM)

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