Stories of the Lotus Sutra - Chapter 3: The Dharma Flower Assembly

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  • Choujou
    Member
    • Apr 2024
    • 591

    #16
    Hi everyone!

    sorry for the last minute entry…

    Ok, Your resident spooky Sangha member is of COURSE drawn to the following quote:

    “THE LOTUS SUTRA IS FOR ALL THE LIVING
    Monks and nuns, laymen and laywomen, gods, dragons, satyrs, centaurs, ashuras, griffins, chimeras, pythons, humans and nonhumans, minor kings, and holy wheel-rolling kings, and others are all addressed by the Buddha in Chapter 1. What we should understand from this is that Buddha Dharma is not only for Buddhists, not only for those people who are good, and not only for human beings. Even gods and other heavenly creatures come to hear the Buddha’s teaching.
    There is an important truth here. While the Lotus Sutra, like any book, is very much a human creation, its significance goes beyond the human. The range of concern, in other words, is not limited to the human species, but extends to all the living. In part, this sense of cosmic importance is a reflection of the rich Indian imagination at the time the sutras were being compiled. People simply assumed that the world was populated with a rich variety of what we regard as mythical beings.
    This imaginative vision urges us to reach out beyond what our eyes can see and our hands can touch, to understand ourselves as being significantly related to a much larger universe that is located in and transcends ourselves, our families, countries, and even species. It is a vision that urges us to imagine ourselves as part of a vast cosmos in which our own lives are important.” (Reeves 44)

    Ok… I had a big paragraph written about the unseen beings and my experiences and then deleted it because I don’t want to make anyone uncomfortable, nor am I looking to turn this into a paranormal discussion. (I will say though that I can honestly tell you that I have seen and encountered some strange beings/things in my life. Things that make you question reality as you know it. I am also grateful that others were there with me too, as they can vouch and verify) My original paragraph went into some quick theories about the unseen realities and unseen beings… but really, the important lesson of that section for me is that the Dharma is universal. It is truth…That is the lesson here… The Dharma IS. And it is to be shared equally, freely, without discrimination, to all living beings everywhere, human or beyond. So, my question is, how do you teach a non-human entity the Dharma? (I also mean this question for all walks of human life… I’m not trying to only come at this from my little weird perspective)

    Well, For me this chapter gives a partial answer…it is the beginning of our instructions on “how to be a Buddha”. During the omens section he reveals that “Note also that these omens appeal to different senses—we see light, we see and smell flowers, we feel the earth shake, and we hear drums beating. This means that we are to embrace the Dharma not only with our minds, but with our senses as well, with our whole being.” (Reeves 46-47) For then we develop skillful means and embody the Dharma… and we could teach by example. All that we do as a Buddha expresses the Dharma…

    Reeves also asks us during this chapter to consider where we fit in these stories ourselves, and I would say that we are both student and teacher. Reeves in this chapter tells us that the lines between teacher and student blur, and that sometimes the teacher can learn from the student. This helped me to understand why Jundo refers to himself as “a friend along the way”. The Dharma is shared equally with all and through all. For now we may be a part of the assembly, hearing the Dharma, having it explained and coming to realization ourselves of the truth of the Dharma, but then, if we’ve been a good student and followed our instructions from our teacher, practice, follow the precepts… we will become a Buddha/Bodhisattva ourselves. Then we become the role of teacher… the lotus sutra, along with all our Mahayana scriptures are preparing us all for such a role, to be a Buddha/Bodhisattva who enthusiastically shares the Dharma with all who seek to become it.



    Gassho,
    Choujou

    sat/lah today
    Last edited by Choujou; 02-22-2026, 06:38 PM.

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    • Seido-nigo
      Member
      • Dec 2025
      • 44

      #17

      Firefly_GeminiFlash_Add - à la- before Shrek on the book cover 697979.jpg
      One thing I’ve learned from this chapter:

      I’ve had a Shrek moment: This book (and the Lotus Sutra) are like onions.

      I’ve been somewhat frustrated with Gene Reeves since the last chapter where I noticed a shift, particularly as he started musing around the function of storytelling and language pointing to the concrete. I don’t entirely agree with his points (there’s some fascinating research on hominid evolution, storytelling and language that go further) but that was less relevant than the fact that I realised he was feeding us a narrative within the narrative of the Lotus Sutra.

      Nothing entirely wrong with that - would have preferred a positionality statement - except: what narrative? And why? (I’m not the biggest fan of drinking company Kool-aid, but happy to acknowledge value for a greater purpose.)

      I zoomed out of this week’s chapter to look where we’ve gone thus far:
      - Chapter 1: Enchanting world: where the ordinary becomes extraordinary: SETTING
      - Chapter 2: Stories of the Lotus Sutra: function of stories, language: VEHICLE
      - Chapter 3: Dharma Flower Assembly: TARGET aka EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING

      This is my realisation this week: The narrative is his informed understanding and experience of the Sutra and the why is Gene Reeves quite literally setting the stage. With a narrative in a narrative, using modern language to translate historical context and anachronism, he is creating positive conditions to enable us to take the Lotus Sutra into our lives, as he has presumably done, as presumably the Lotus Sutra was intended to do with the teachings it contains. This is his gift to us.

      It is not lost on me that techniques in the Sutra are appearing here as well: Mise en abyme, recursivity in all forms. Just as the Sutra repeats in verse with new details, we’re on chapter 3, have revisited the introduction three times and each time, new awareness emerges. Also, side note, not unlike how we return each time to our zafu…

      What remains at the end of the chapter: Alright, Mr Reeves/Lotus Sutra, I have your number and I am still onboard. I have my big girl panties on, let’s go.

      One question I have:
      This is all very nice, Mr Reeves, but where is the poo?

      Gassho
      Seido
      Sat lah

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      • Chikyou
        Member
        • May 2022
        • 1048

        #18
        Originally posted by Seido-nigo
        Firefly_GeminiFlash_Add - à la- before Shrek on the book cover 697979.jpg
        One thing I’ve learned from this chapter:

        I’ve had a Shrek moment: This book (and the Lotus Sutra) are like onions.

        I’ve been somewhat frustrated with Gene Reeves since the last chapter where I noticed a shift, particularly as he started musing around the function of storytelling and language pointing to the concrete. I don’t entirely agree with his points (there’s some fascinating research on hominid evolution, storytelling and language that go further) but that was less relevant than the fact that I realised he was feeding us a narrative within the narrative of the Lotus Sutra.

        Nothing entirely wrong with that - would have preferred a positionality statement - except: what narrative? And why? (I’m not the biggest fan of drinking company Kool-aid, but happy to acknowledge value for a greater purpose.)

        I zoomed out of this week’s chapter to look where we’ve gone thus far:
        - Chapter 1: Enchanting world: where the ordinary becomes extraordinary: SETTING
        - Chapter 2: Stories of the Lotus Sutra: function of stories, language: VEHICLE
        - Chapter 3: Dharma Flower Assembly: TARGET aka EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING

        This is my realisation this week: The narrative is his informed understanding and experience of the Sutra and the why is Gene Reeves quite literally setting the stage. With a narrative in a narrative, using modern language to translate historical context and anachronism, he is creating positive conditions to enable us to take the Lotus Sutra into our lives, as he has presumably done, as presumably the Lotus Sutra was intended to do with the teachings it contains. This is his gift to us.

        It is not lost on me that techniques in the Sutra are appearing here as well: Mise en abyme, recursivity in all forms. Just as the Sutra repeats in verse with new details, we’re on chapter 3, have revisited the introduction three times and each time, new awareness emerges. Also, side note, not unlike how we return each time to our zafu…

        What remains at the end of the chapter: Alright, Mr Reeves/Lotus Sutra, I have your number and I am still onboard. I have my big girl panties on, let’s go.

        One question I have:
        This is all very nice, Mr Reeves, but where is the poo?

        Gassho
        Seido
        Sat lah
        Thank you for this break down!!! I have to admit that I was losing patience with the commentary, far and away preferring the actual Sutra to this book that we are reading ABOUT the Sutra.

        However, your breakdown here has made me understand and I am back on board.

        Gassho,
        SatLah,
        Chikyō
        Chikyō 知鏡
        (Wisdom Mirror)
        They/Them

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        • Bion
          Senior Priest-in-Training
          • Aug 2020
          • 6975

          #19
          Yeah, thanks Seido-nigo for that! I am sure you are not the only one that feels like Reeves is kind of in a loop now, nevcer quite getting to the meat of the whole thing! But again, he is telling the story of the story... So, we definitely shouldn't expect the Lotus itself here, but mere glimpses into it through Reeves' eyes.

          Gassho
          sat lah
          "One uninvolved has nothing embraced or rejected, has sloughed off every view right here - every one."

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          • Bion
            Senior Priest-in-Training
            • Aug 2020
            • 6975

            #20
            Originally posted by Choujou
            if we’ve been a good student and followed our instructions from our teacher, practice, follow the precepts… we will become a Buddha/Bodhisattva ourselves. Then we become the role of teacher… the lotus sutra, along with all our Mahayana scriptures are preparing us all for such a role, to be a Buddha/Bodhisattva who enthusiastically shares the Dharma with all who seek to become it.
            Oh, but wait.. it gets better!!! Every moment we practice and give voice to the buddhadharma, and whenever we keep the precepts and show respect to our ancestors and the triple gem, we function as teachers also. Our example is alive and expounding the dharma!

            Also,

            Originally posted by Choujou
            Ok… I had a big paragraph written about the unseen beings and my experiences and then deleted it because I don’t want to make anyone uncomfortable, nor am I looking to turn this into a paranormal discussion. (I will say though that I can honestly tell you that I have seen and encountered some strange beings/things in my life. Things that make you question reality as you know it. I am also grateful that others were there with me too, as they can vouch and verify) My original paragraph went into some quick theories about the unseen realities and unseen beings… but really, the important lesson of that section for me is that the Dharma is universal.
            Thank you for protecting me! You know me too well

            Gassho
            sat lah
            "One uninvolved has nothing embraced or rejected, has sloughed off every view right here - every one."

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            • Seiraku
              Member
              • Feb 2025
              • 54

              #21
              I think we beat the EDM drum of the Dharma on Friday's Zazenkai! That was fun One thing I learned in this chapter was that I'm a part of the assembly, and I felt like it too at the end of the chapter. It also makes sense in a way, since in the Lotus Sutra the Buddha says (something like) "You know that Buddha millions of years ago? That was me. And all those monks were you."

              My question would have also been around how best to share the Dharma and I see there's been a helpful discussion on that.

              Gassho,
              Seiraku
              satlah
              everything is unhindered,
              clouds gracefully floating up to the peaks,
              the moonlight glitteringly flowing down mountain streams.​

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              • Seido-nigo
                Member
                • Dec 2025
                • 44

                #22
                Originally posted by Chikyou

                Thank you for this break down!!! I have to admit that I was losing patience with the commentary, far and away preferring the actual Sutra to this book that we are reading ABOUT the Sutra.

                However, your breakdown here has made me understand and I am back on board.

                Gassho,
                SatLah,
                Chikyō
                100% agree, the Sutra is good, isn't it? I feel like reading the actual Sutra alongside the book does make sense, though they're progressing at different paces so reading the next chapter every week doesn't quite match up. But hopeful it will make more sense as we go along... patience is NOT my strong suit so perhaps a good exercise

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                • Maro
                  Member
                  • Dec 2025
                  • 59

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Bion
                  So, we definitely shouldn't expect the Lotus itself here, but mere glimpses into it through Reeves' eyes.

                  Gassho
                  sat lah
                  Through Reeve's/somebody else's eyes - I find this very precious.

                  Having said that though I am also aware that my trust in not extended equally to everything/everyone.

                  Thank you dear all for your reflections and for opening so many different perspectives to reflect on - bows

                  Gassho
                  Maro
                  satlah

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                  • Maro
                    Member
                    • Dec 2025
                    • 59

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Hokuu

                    and finding ourselves gasping in awe, rediscovering how in the end "mountains are mountains and rivers are rivers"?

                    gassho
                    satlah
                    I have also found myself in a similar state quite often lately. Thank you for the company Hokuu!

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                    • Seikan
                      Member
                      • Apr 2020
                      • 1093

                      #25
                      My apologies for being a bit slow to post and engage here. It is largely due to other tasks competing for my attention.

                      As others have noted, I once again found this chapter to still feel like a continuation of the introduction, and as such, I didn't feel as if I really picked up on anything all that new. That said, I feel like I've been drawing more inspiration and insights from the ongoing discussions here on the forum and at our live discussions, so I wanted to say how grateful I am for all of the reflections that you all have shared to date.

                      Sneaking a peek to the next chapter, I'm feeling optimistic that things are about to get even more interesting.

                      Gassho,
                      Seikan
                      stlah
                      聖簡 Seikan (Sacred Simplicity)

                      "See and realize / that this world / is not permanent. / Neither late nor early flowers / will remain."
                      —Ryokan

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                      • Naiko
                        Member
                        • Aug 2019
                        • 869

                        #26
                        Hi all,
                        I have been reading along with you, but I am remiss in posting.

                        I felt like this chapter finally gets to where the introductory chapters were leading. I liked that the author grounds the fantastical setting and participants as a teaching that the Dharma is for every being in the universes, every realm, past, present, future. And also the setting points to the importance of Sangha, that gathering, teaching and hearing is fundamental to the Dharma: the Buddha needs an assembly. Framing it this way makes it more accessible to me.

                        His next point really surprised me. He says the Sutra fires everyone up to spread the word: the conch and drum rally for battle, and Buddhism is a missionary religion. I just don’t think of Buddhists as proselytizers! I guess should not be that surprised. Here I am in the US, practicing and reading the Lotus Sutra with you because some intrepid teachers traveled far to bring the dharma here, and because Jundo used modern technology to create a far-reaching community. When you consider Treeleaf, existing but not existing, out of thin air and bits of data, everywhere, anywhere and nowhere, at all times, well, we could just pop right out of the Lotus Sutra. I really have taken all this for granted, and owe more gratitude to all those passing the Dharma forward for 2500 years. (Thanks, Jundo!)

                        I generally don’t read Sutras or the Pali Canon. I read books of essays by contemporary teachers that I find relatable and accessible. And by that I mean they align comfortably within my western, liberal view of Buddhism, which is skewed. I don’t often think of Buddhism as a “religion” religion. This book is definitely exposing my limited views.
                        Gassho,
                        Naiko
                        satlah
                        Last edited by Naiko; 02-25-2026, 02:45 AM.

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                        • Bion
                          Senior Priest-in-Training
                          • Aug 2020
                          • 6975

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Naiko
                          Hi all,
                          I have been reading along with you, but I am remiss in posting.

                          I felt like this chapter finally gets to where the introductory chapters were leading. I liked that the author grounds the fantastical setting and participants as a teaching that the Dharma is for every being in the universes, every realm, past, present, future. And also the setting points to the importance of Sangha, that gathering, teaching and hearing is fundamental to the Dharma: the Buddha needs an assembly. Framing it this way makes it more accessible to me.

                          His next point really surprised me. He says the Sutra fires everyone up to spread the word: the conch and drum rally for battle, and Buddhism is a missionary religion. I just don’t think of Buddhists as proselytizers! I guess should not be that surprised. Here I am in the US, practicing and reading the Lotus Sutra with you because some intrepid teachers traveled far to bring the dharma here, and because Jundo used modern technology to create a far-reaching community. When you consider Treeleaf, existing but not existing, out of thin air and bits of data, everywhere, anywhere and nowhere, at all times, well, we could just pop right out of the Lotus Sutra. I really have taken all this for granted, and owe more gratitude to all those passing the Dharma forward for 2500 years. (Thanks, Jundo!)

                          I generally don’t read Sutras or the Pali Canon. I read books of essays by contemporary teachers that I find relatable and accessible. And by that I mean they align comfortably within my western, liberal view of Buddhism, which is skewed. I don’t often think of Buddhism as a “religion” religion. This book is definitely exposing my limited views.
                          Gassho,
                          Naiko
                          satlah
                          Well, this perspective you offer is inspiring to me too, so thank you for taking the time before posting!

                          Gassho
                          sat lah
                          "One uninvolved has nothing embraced or rejected, has sloughed off every view right here - every one."

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                          • MikeH
                            Member
                            • Aug 2025
                            • 37

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Naiko
                            His next point really surprised me. He says the Sutra fires everyone up to spread the word: the conch and drum rally for battle, and Buddhism is a missionary religion. I just don’t think of Buddhists as proselytizers! I guess should not be that surprised. Here I am in the US, practicing and reading the Lotus Sutra with you because some intrepid teachers traveled far to bring the dharma here, and because Jundo used modern technology to create a far-reaching community. When you consider Treeleaf, existing but not existing, out of thin air and bits of data, everywhere, anywhere and nowhere, at all times, well, we could just pop right out of the Lotus Sutra. I really have taken all this for granted, and owe more gratitude to all those passing the Dharma forward for 2500 years. (Thanks, Jundo!)...
                            This is such a great point, Naiko! Thank you for pointing this out, and yes, thank you to all who have built and maintained Treeleaf. I had to chuckle when Naiko made me realize the irony of my earlier post where I expressed my allergy to missionary activity--I expressed that allergy on a global, digital, religious platform built in Japan (I think), brought by some technological miracle to Canada, by Jundo and other "intrepid teachers" to use Naiko's terms.

                            That said, I do wonder whether Treeleaf and teaching Sutras are missionary activities. This might just be a moot word game, but for those us coming from certain negative religious backgrounds, it might be more than just words to us. Is there a difference between building a Zendo and leaving its door wide open, on the one hand, and actively travelling the world to convert and "save" people by a particular interpretation of doctrine? I think so! Not all transmission of knowledge is missionary activity, or else academics, TV chefs, journalists, etc, would all be missionaries..right?

                            This is a really interesting topic that I hope we find time to discuss briefly at our next Zoom session. Thanks for helping me think deeper about it, Naiko.

                            gassho
                            satlah
                            Mike

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                            • Bion
                              Senior Priest-in-Training
                              • Aug 2020
                              • 6975

                              #29
                              Originally posted by MikeH


                              This is a really interesting topic that I hope we find time to discuss briefly at our next Zoom session. Thanks for helping me think deeper about it, Naiko.

                              gassho
                              satlah
                              Mike
                              Bring it up on Saturday, do not let me forget!

                              gassho
                              sat lah
                              "One uninvolved has nothing embraced or rejected, has sloughed off every view right here - every one."

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                              • Naiko
                                Member
                                • Aug 2019
                                • 869

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Bion

                                Well, this perspective you offer is inspiring to me too, so thank you for taking the time before posting!

                                Gassho
                                sat lah

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