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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 41915

    Starting Readings from My Book "Zen Master's Dance" - in our 'No Words' Book Club -1-

    Dear All,

    I had request from several Treeleafers to restart readings and discussion of my book, "THE ZEN MASTER’S DANCE - A Guide to Understanding Dōgen and Who You Are in the Universe, by Jundo Cohen."

    A fresh take on how to read Dōgen. In The Zen Master’s Dance, Jundo Cohen takes us deep into the mind of Master Dōgen—and shows us how to join in the great and intimate dance of the universe. Through fresh translations and sparkling teaching, Cohen opens up for us a new way to read one […]


    I was going to wait until Kokuu finished his readings from the Platform Sutra, but the folks want to get started on my book, and Kokuu said it would be fine if we are doing both. So, each week or two, I will post reading assignments, with fun "challenges" in each one.

    They should be enjoyable and enlightening , while helping you "get" Dogen more ... and also, of course ... who you are in the universe!

    A Zen Sangha is a dance ensemble, as is all the world. I wrote the book in order to make Master Dogen's teachings more approachable, trying to help folks understand why his style may sometimes seem so strange and hard to penetrate, all while staying faithful to the Buddhist teachings and feelings they contain without making things too simple. Like any dance, Dogen's ballet takes some learning and practice to get the hang of, but then we can all join in the movements like second nature. I hope that I can help everyone get a sense for Dogen's fabulous dance.

    Today, and for the next couple of weeks, we are going to focus on the "Introduction" to the book.

    By the way, the book is available at all the usual places. However, if it is a hardship for anyone due to cost or your location, please let me know. I can help with a PDF version for such folks.

    ~~~

    The Zen Master's Dance - 1 - Introduction (Top of p. 1 to End of Chapter)

    Hello Fellow Dancers,

    Thank you for reading and dancing "The Zen Master's Dance" together.

    Today we are going to focus on the "Introduction" to the book.

    I am going to try a couple of experiments to help us share in the sense of wild, creative rhythms and not commonly seen perspectives that Dogen was seeking to express, and the visions of reality that other Zen fellows certainly share. Dogen had a way with and appreciation for words and wordplay that was quite unique in the Zen world, even when compared to all the word games and bending of ordinary language that Zen folks have been famous for throughout the centuries. Although Zen is known as a "Way Beyond Words & Letters," there are so many words written by Zen masters of old to express this "Beyond Words" Zen, even as they could be quite creative in the use of words to do so. Zen is not "beyond understanding" or "illogical" ... rather, it calls for new forms of intimate understanding, and has a logic of its own that is often far removed from what we might consider ordinary "common sense."

    What I am going to ask you to do today is to rewrite a couple of paragraphs from the "Introduction," but replacing the image of "dancing" with some other activity that is vital in your life. For example, let's say that you love "bowling" more than "ballet." In such case, let us see the whole universe as a "Great Bowling Alley" rather than a "Great Ballet." I would ask you to rewrite for us (and to post here in this thread) some sentences from the Introduction like this:

    "[Dogen] experienced reality as a great dance moving through time, coming to life in the thoughts and acts of all beings. It is a most special dance, for it is the dance that the whole of reality is dancing ... "
    would become

    "[Dogen] experienced reality as a great bowling tournament moving through time, hitting its strikes and coming to life in the thoughts and acts of all beings, the bowlers. It is a most special bowl, for it is the rolls that the whole of reality is rolling ..."

    or

    "Although we may feel as if we are separate dancers—finite individuals on a grand stage spanning all of time and space—we are also the dance itself dancing through us. A universe of dancers that are being danced up in this dance that the whole universe is dancing ... "
    becomes

    "Although we may feel as if we are separate bowlers—finite individuals in a grand alley of lanes spanning all of time and space—we are also the frames and games itself, every strike and spare and gutter ball, pin and pair of shoes, bowling through us. A universe of bowlers that are being bowled up in this bottomless bowl that the whole universe is bowling ... "

    Like that,

    All I ask is that you pick some activity that means something to you, rather than a frozen thing or object. For example, child-rearing as a parent in a nursery, horse riding as a horse rider, doing dentistry as a dentist, washing dishes as a dish washer etc. etc.

    Let's see what happens!? I will ask folks to try again if I think they might be missing something, and can do a bit better! There is nothing to gain, but we can still DO BETTER!

    For your convenience, I am copying below some lines from the book for you to copy and paste in your rewriting. You can rewrite all of these or just a few. Have fun.

    Also, of course, post any other impressions from the book, ask any questions, joys, frustrations ... anything at all.

    Gassho, Jundo

    STLah

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    ASSIGNMENT: PLEASE REWRITE THE FOLLOWING SUBSTITUTING SOME OTHER LIFE ACTION (FOR EXAMPLE, BOWLING, GARDENING, FIXING THE CAR, WHATEVER RESONATES IN YOUR LIFE) FOR THE IMAGE OF "DANCING" AND ACCOMPANYING IMAGES OF DANCE.

    Eihei Dōgen, a Japanese Zen Master of long ago ... experienced reality as a great dance moving through time, coming to life in the thoughts and acts of all beings. It is a most special dance, for it is the dance that the whole of reality is dancing, with nothing left out, that you and I are dancing, that is dancing as you and me. It is a vibrant, swirling, flowing, merging and emerging unity that Buddhists sometimes call “emptiness,” as the motion and sweep of the dance “empties” us of the sense of only being separate beings, and fills and reaffirms us as the whole. We, as human beings, can’t be sure when or where this dance began, or whether it even has a beginning or end. But we can come to see that it is being danced now in each step and breath we take, much as a dance unfolds and constantly renews with every turn or leap of its dancers.

    You and I are dancers in this dance, as is every creature great or small, the mountains and seas, every grain of sand or massive galaxy,
    the atoms that make up the universe and the whole universe itself. Everything in reality, no matter how old or vast, no matter how unnoticed or small, is dancing this dance together. And although we may feel as if we are separate dancers—finite individuals on a grand stage spanning all of time and space—we are also the dance itself dancing through us. A universe of dancers that are being danced up in this dance that the whole universe is dancing. Picture in your mind a spectator witnessing a dance so vigorous and vibrant that its countless actors seem to vanish in the swirl of motion: single dancers becoming pairs, then groups, coming together and separating moment by moment, yet so merged as the overall movement that, from a distance, individual dancers can no longer be seen. ...

    ... So united did Dōgen see that whole that, in his mind, each point holds all other points, near or far, each point miraculously fully contains
    the whole, and each moment of time ticks with all other moments of time, before or after. It is much like saying that every step of
    each dancer somehow embodies, depends upon, and also fully expresses every step by all the other dancers on the stage, past, present,
    or future, and fully contains the entire dance too. Dōgen experienced the time of the dance as the overall movement that is fully held and
    expressed in each individual move itself, with past not only flowing into present and future, but future flowing into the present and past,
    as the present fully holds the past and future of the dance.

    ... Master Dōgen spoke of practice, putting it all in motion. Where this dance has come from, where it is going, is not as important
    as the dance that is truly realized—made real—right here, in your next leap and gesture. The dance is always right underfoot, so just
    dance, without thought of any other place.
    .

    Last edited by Jundo; 05-30-2025, 11:36 PM.
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  • FNJ
    Member
    • May 2025
    • 70

    #2
    Just ordered it. Happy to participate!

    One question though. How creatively are we allowed to interpret what the author is talking about?

    satlah
    gassho
    niall
    Last edited by FNJ; 05-16-2025, 02:35 PM.

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    • Tairin
      Member
      • Feb 2016
      • 3048

      #3
      I am happy to read this again with the Sangha.


      Tairin
      Sat today and lah
      泰林 - Tai Rin - Peaceful Woods

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      • Anthony
        Member
        • Aug 2023
        • 142

        #4
        I've read through the whole book somewhat recently and am happy to go through it once more with you all!

        gassho, Anthony satlah

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        • Meishin
          Member
          • May 2014
          • 897

          #5
          Our local sitting group just finished discussions focused on this wonderful book. It is so helpful in learning how to approach Dogen.

          Gassho
          Meishin
          stlah

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          • MalleableGirlParts
            Member
            • Jul 2024
            • 118

            #6
            Nice! Mine should arriver tomorrow and I'll start reading it tomorrow night! I hope there's a lot of pictures. Just kidding.
            Gasshō Jenn
            Sat Lah

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            • FNJ
              Member
              • May 2025
              • 70

              #7
              I was a millwright at GE in Peterborough (Ontario CA) in my previous life. Before the injury that finished my career my favorite thing to do was operating the Poreba (heavy-duty Polish lathe common in rail and energy industries).

              The 60"/240" manual engine lathe (meaning a 60-inch swing and 20 feet between centers).

              When the lathe turns, the Dharma turns, the world turns. The cutting edge of wisdom meets steel, and the resistance is not opposition but intimacy.

              A turbine shaft, longer than a man is tall set upon the machine as one sets the mind upon the cushion firmly, with readiness, with reverence.

              The millwright does not impose his will, but aligns with the true nature of the shaft and spindle. Adjustment is not correction, but realization of what has always been true. The hand rests lightly on the dial as the heart rests lightly on the breath. An unbalanced workpiece is not only noisy but at that size and speed, extremely dangerous.

              To level the machine is to level the self. To hold tolerance within thousandths is to hold emptiness precisely not loosely, not rigidly, not, not, not. The shaving of metal is no different from the shaving away of delusion. One layer at a time, the piece reveals its form. One moment at a time, parts of the self disappear. A subtractive process.

              Thus, turning the lathe is not separate from zazen. In this, the shaft is Buddha, always has been Buddha. The Dharma wheel turning so fast, yet so still.

              Sat LAH
              Gassho
              Niall

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              • Jundo
                Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                • Apr 2006
                • 41915

                #8
                Originally posted by FNJ
                I was a millwright at GE in Peterborough (Ontario CA) in my previous life. Before the injury that finished my career my favorite thing to do was operating the Poreba (heavy-duty Polish lathe common in rail and energy industries).

                The 60"/240" manual engine lathe (meaning a 60-inch swing and 20 feet between centers).

                When the lathe turns, the Dharma turns, the world turns. The cutting edge of wisdom meets steel, and the resistance is not opposition but intimacy.

                A turbine shaft, longer than a man is tall set upon the machine as one sets the mind upon the cushion firmly, with readiness, with reverence.

                The millwright does not impose his will, but aligns with the true nature of the shaft and spindle. Adjustment is not correction, but realization of what has always been true. The hand rests lightly on the dial as the heart rests lightly on the breath. An unbalanced workpiece is not only noisy but at that size and speed, extremely dangerous.

                To level the machine is to level the self. To hold tolerance within thousandths is to hold emptiness precisely not loosely, not rigidly, not, not, not. The shaving of metal is no different from the shaving away of delusion. One layer at a time, the piece reveals its form. One moment at a time, parts of the self disappear. A subtractive process.

                Thus, turning the lathe is not separate from zazen. In this, the shaft is Buddha, always has been Buddha. The Dharma wheel turning so fast, yet so still.

                Sat LAH
                Gassho
                Niall
                Hi Niall,

                That is nice, and a lovely image of careful and balanced action, but maybe a little different from the grand vision of Dogen's way in the paragraph I posted. In what you wrote, you are lathing carefully. That is vital and truly beautiful practice. However, Dogen would also emphasize that the lathe is lathing you and all the world is carefully lathing all the world. I would just rewrite the paragraph pasted above with "milling" in place of "dancing." Dogen would be more about the whole universe milling, you shaving and being shaved, the mill milling you, as you mill the mill, as you grind the whole of reality and the whole of reality grinds you, and grinds each other and, in the end, there is only the Great Grinding! Maybe try again.

                Have you read the chapter yet? Were you able to find the book?

                Gassho, J
                stlah

                PS - I clarified the assignment a bit more in the top post:

                ASSIGNMENT: PLEASE REWRITE THE FOLLOWING SUBSTITUTING SOME OTHER LIFE ACTION (FOR EXAMPLE, BOWLING, GARDENING, FIXING THE CAR, WHATEVER RESONATES IN YOUR LIFE) FOR THE IMAGE OF "DANCING" AND ACCOMPANYING IMAGES OF DANCE.
                Last edited by Jundo; 05-17-2025, 03:27 AM.
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                • Bob-Midwest
                  Member
                  • Apr 2025
                  • 40

                  #9
                  Book should arrive tomorrow. Will post rewrites over the weekend the weekend.
                  How long are we given to read the introduction?
                  Last edited by Bob-Midwest; 05-17-2025, 12:52 AM.

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                  • Jundo
                    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                    • Apr 2006
                    • 41915

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Bob-Midwest
                    Book should arrive tomorrow. Will post rewrites over the weekend the weekend.
                    How long are we given to read the introduction?
                    Hi Bob,

                    Thank you for joining in.

                    I think it will be a couple of weeks before we move on, to let folks have the book. Even then, this post will stay open for a few more weeks for people who come later or get a slow start.

                    Gassho, J
                    stlah
                    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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                    • Hosui
                      Member
                      • Sep 2024
                      • 131

                      #11
                      I’d love to join in with this (It’ll complement my Platform Sutra reading). I read the book last month and have lots of questions.

                      Edited - I've now properly read the assignment instructions: this is way more difficult than it first appears. What it seems you’re asking us to do is rewrite the book’s master metaphor, an act of substitution that requires a lot of understanding of what we’re replacing. I'll persist...

                      Gassho
                      Hosui
                      sat/lah
                      Last edited by Hosui; 05-17-2025, 08:21 AM.

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                      • Taigen
                        Member
                        • Jan 2024
                        • 145

                        #12
                        I will also join! I've read the book but it's been a while, I would enjoy the guided re-read along with everyone else. Maybe we can get the author to chime in? Someone should ask.

                        Gassho,
                        Taigen
                        SatLah

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                        • FNJ
                          Member
                          • May 2025
                          • 70

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Jundo

                          Hi Niall,

                          That is nice, and a lovely image of careful and balanced action, but maybe a little different from the grand vision of Dogen's way in the paragraph I posted. In what you wrote, you are lathing carefully. That is vital and truly beautiful practice. However, Dogen would also emphasize that the lathe is lathing you and all the world is carefully lathing all the world. I would just rewrite the paragraph pasted above with "milling" in place of "dancing." Dogen would be more about the whole universe milling, you shaving and being shaved, the mill milling you, as you mill the mill, as you grind the whole of reality and the whole of reality grinds you, and grinds each other and, in the end, there is only the Great Grinding! Maybe try again.

                          Have you read the chapter yet? Were you able to find the book?

                          Gassho, J
                          stlah

                          PS - I clarified the assignment a bit more in the top post:

                          ASSIGNMENT: PLEASE REWRITE THE FOLLOWING SUBSTITUTING SOME OTHER LIFE ACTION (FOR EXAMPLE, BOWLING, GARDENING, FIXING THE CAR, WHATEVER RESONATES IN YOUR LIFE) FOR THE IMAGE OF "DANCING" AND ACCOMPANYING IMAGES OF DANCE.
                          Oh my bad! I decided I couldn't wait for the book to arrive so I bought it for my kindle. I have read the intro.

                          I will now so as you say and just substitute the word "dancing" for "cutting" (as grinding would be inaccurate).

                          Sat LAH
                          Gassho
                          Niall

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                          • Houzan
                            Member
                            • Dec 2022
                            • 627

                            #14
                            Count me in, please

                            Gassho, Hōzan
                            satlah

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                            • Jundo
                              Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                              • Apr 2006
                              • 41915

                              #15
                              Originally posted by FNJ

                              Oh my bad! I decided I couldn't wait for the book to arrive so I bought it for my kindle. I have read the intro.

                              I will now so as you say and just substitute the word "dancing" for "cutting" (as grinding would be inaccurate).
                              To get a sense of Dogen's writing style, philosophy and way with wordplay, I do use a bit of a "paint by numbers" approach at first. I found it the best way to get the knack of his way of expression. Sometimes the best way to get a sense of Picasso is to do a "paint by numbers" Guernica, rather than just to try to explain it in words, or do it on one's own without mimicking the original.

                              I am reminded of all those folks learning to paint in museums by copying old masters ...

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                              Gassho, J
                              stlah
                              Last edited by Jundo; 05-17-2025, 01:51 PM.
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