Blue Cliff Record (Case 16) Ching Ch'ing's Man in the Weeds (Pecking)

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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 40719

    Blue Cliff Record (Case 16) Ching Ch'ing's Man in the Weeds (Pecking)

    Hi Chicks,

    The center point of this Koan is a traditional image of Zen student and teacher. The student is like a chick about the be born, pecking from inside the shell. The mother hen pecks from outside. Only if they both peck in harmony, and at resonant times, will the egg crack open.

    The POINTER says something like that the Path has no detours, is solitary and impossibly steep to climb. Yet, the Zen adept stands upon it on her own two feet. There is a Truth beyond words to speak, without anything apart to hear or see. Upon realizing so, you set even Buddhas and Ancestors free. Even the gods cannot offer you congratulatory flowers for realizing so, because there is no you to see or be seen, to give or receive. Likewise, there is no gate from which someone outside can spy on you inside. You work all day yet nothing to attain, you talk all day but only speak silence. In this "no inside outside, no give or receive, no see or be seen" peaceful realm, the hen-chick "breaks in and out" of the shell that has no inside or outside, thus nothing really to escape. Thus, it is like our old friend ... the Sword of Wisdom ... that "uncuts" pieces and "unkills" life.

    The teacher also knows when to "lift up" in praise, and when to "put down" with criticism when using various expedient means to teach. However, truly, there is no "up and down" either.

    In the CASE a student asked the teacher to peck and help the student break out of the egg. In other words, he requests, "Teacher, please say or do something to enlighten me." The teacher says something that may mean more or less, "If I do, will you then be alive or dead?" (Remember, no inside, no outside, no up or down ... no living ... no dead.) What the student says next is disagreed about by various commentators, but I take it to mean something like, "I had better come out enlightened, or I will look foolish." The teacher criticizes the student, "putting him down" with "you are really lost in the weeds (with that attitude)."

    If one understands this "can't be broken into nor out of" then one immediately breaks out of the shell that separates inside from outside, me from you, into something divided.

    The VERSE says something like every Buddha has their own way of teaching. In this case, the student's responsive preaching to the teacher got a put down (detraction) from the teacher, and a blow. The chick and hen were at odds, not in harmony, so could not break in-out together (of this no inside-outside egg).

    Again, "to name and describe this is in vain" ... so really get a feel of this "no in out egg," and don't just understand intellectually. If so ... then you are out of the shell!

    QUESTION: How to make an omelette with a egg with no inside or out? Please teach me the recipe. (REMEMBER: Don't look at other's responses before trying your own.)
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    Gassho, Mother Hen
    stlah
    Last edited by Jundo; 12-11-2024, 12:16 AM.
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE
  • Onsho
    Member
    • Aug 2022
    • 141

    #2

    I began with the 3 culinary treasures. Julia child, The Joy of cooking, and other cooks in the kitchen.

    Im currently trying the 8 fold recipe. If it works, ill call out from the weeds.

    Gassho
    Chick
    satlah

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    • Meishin
      Member
      • May 2014
      • 829

      #3
      And I closed my eyes and made you an omelette with no inside and out. Wasn't it scrumptious?

      Gassho
      Meishin
      stlah

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      • Matt Johnson
        Member
        • Jun 2024
        • 493

        #4
        So in the title of thois koan it is weeds not woods... dont let Jundo fool you... The original Chinese for "Man in the Weeds" uses the phrase 草中人 (cǎo zhōng rén). The character 草 (cǎo) means "grass" or "weeds," while 中 (zhōng) means "in" or "within," and 人 (rén) means "person" or "man."

        Thus, "草中人" literally translates as "Man in the Weeds".

        Now to the extent he wants to talk about peckers..... Does the Ching Ching need to actually do anything to help the monk? What could he possibly help them with? What judgements has he made?

        _/\_
        sat/ah
        matt

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        • Jundo
          Treeleaf Founder and Priest
          • Apr 2006
          • 40719

          #5
          Thus, "草中人" literally translates as "Man in the Weeds".
          Ah, my dyslexia! But 草 is actually "grass," not only "weeds."


          So, it could be like someone "lost in the tall grass," but also "lost in the woods," which has about the same meaning ...

          Lost in the woods definition: confused or disoriented. Check meanings, examples, usage tips, pronunciation, domains, related words.


          Gassho, J
          stlah
          ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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          • ZenJay
            Member
            • Apr 2024
            • 225

            #6
            Jay’s recipe for the self-eating omelette:

            2 ox
            1 cart
            1 yoke
            mix vigorously
            cook yourself
            the omelette eats you.

            Gassho,
            Jay

            Sat/lah today
            Last edited by ZenJay; 12-11-2024, 11:23 AM.

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            • Ramine
              Member
              • Jul 2023
              • 182

              #7
              Originally posted by Jundo
              QUESTION: How to make an omelette with a egg with no inside or out? Please teach me the recipe.
              Recipe for a zen omelette:

              No inside, no outside
              As you already were-are-will-be the omelette, there is nothing to do.
              Please sit and enjoy.

              Alternatively, do what Julia says... she will not let you down.


              Ramine
              Sat and Lah

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              • Tairin
                Member
                • Feb 2016
                • 2849

                #8
                Ingredients:
                3 eggs beaten with milk
                shallots thinly sliced
                green pepper cut into small pieces
                smoked paprika
                olive oil

                Heat the pan and oil. Cook the peppers and shallots until soft (about 2 minutes). Remove from pan.
                On medium heat add eggs/milk to pan and let sit allowing the mixture to cook.
                Add peppers and shallots on top of eggs
                Gently fold eggs over.

                Serve.

                Give a little gassho and enjoy.


                Tairin
                Sat today and lah
                泰林 - Tai Rin - Peaceful Woods

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