Blue Cliff Record (Case 14) Yun Men's Appropriate Statement

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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 40719

    Blue Cliff Record (Case 14) Yun Men's Appropriate Statement

    Dear All,

    This is one of the shorter cases, yet boundless in richness, not to be taken lightly.

    The CASE question asks what are all the Buddha's Teachings that he offered during his whole lifetime. Of course, they come in many flavors, sometimes seemingly very different in what they seem to preach to different people.

    Yunmen responds, "An appropriate statement." Another version is "A preaching in accordance."

    Appropriate and in accordance with what? To whom? Is every word of the Buddha always appropriate? Master Dogen might have said, "Appropriate to WHAT! That's WHAT!! According with the WHO'S WHO!!" (He liked to turned question words into declarations to convey what is hard to say, making questions into exclamations!)

    The COMMENTARY criticizes folks who say the meaning is that "Buddha said what was appropriate to the particular person and situation, to fit their needs and understanding, " or "All these seemingly different Teachings are really saying the same One Thing in various guises." I don't think that either of those statements are really wrong, but they are too simple and intellectual.

    I would respond that everything in reality is Appropriate to reality, even the very inappropriate things. They are perfectly Appropriate as inappropriate things. In fact, all this crazy, mixed-up world is always inappropriate ... so everything that the Buddha ever uttered is inappropriate. How can any statement in words truly convey this Truth, so any statement must always be inappropriate, even if spoken by Buddha. Thus, when Buddhas seek to convey this Appropriate-inappropriate with their always inappropriate words, their every word is Appropriate!

    In the VERSE, to "wedge a handle into a hammerhead with no hole" is something like understanding how to Appropriately express this inappropriate-Appropriate. There is something about reality that is flawless, unbroken, like that hammerhead, and we learn to swing it as a tool even in this always flawed and often broken world.

    The reference to the Jambu Tree is about someone laughing at all this at a sacred spot down on Earth, something like saying "On Top of the Dome of St. Peter's Cathedral, he laughs and laughs." The part about getting the black dragon horn and the old man (Shao Yang is another name for Yunmen) is something like saying, "He got what cannot be got." Why do we assume that the dragon lost anything, or that anything could ever be lost, when Yunmen got it. For example, if I am a child who is learning "What is 2+2," and I say "I got it!" ... does that mean that something has been lost from "2+2" or the "2+2" is suddenly missing or it went away somewhere because "I've got it" or that other people can't get it because I am the only one who's "got it?" The dragon's horn is got like that.

    QUESTION: What are the Buddha's Teachings of a whole lifetime?

    Here is our song this time. She says, "You don't mean nothin to me." But is not "not meaning nothing" actually something? And in that "not nothing" is there even "a you to a me"?? In this world of day and night, win and lose, you vs. me, it is kind of like Bodhidharma's "I don't know" or getting the horn which cannot be got.
    .

    Gassho, J
    stlah
    Last edited by Jundo; 11-25-2024, 02:49 AM.
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE
  • Brett
    Member
    • Mar 2024
    • 159

    #2
    I am doubtful it is even possible to put to words the answer to that question, but I’ll give it a try anyway.

    In my mind, the Buddha's teaching of a lifetime was demonstrating that nothing contains everything and everything contains nothing.

    st/lah
    gassho
    brett

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    • Houzan
      Member
      • Dec 2022
      • 534

      #3
      Garbage that must be thrown out every day. Walking to the garbage can, it’s cold and the stars and moon shine bright. (And by the way, I recycle my garbage!)

      Gassho, Hōzan
      satlah
      Last edited by Houzan; 11-25-2024, 07:07 AM.

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      • Ramine
        Member
        • Jul 2023
        • 182

        #4
        Sit zazen, keep the precepts, carry on.

        Ramine
        Sat and Lah

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        • ZenJay
          Member
          • Apr 2024
          • 225

          #5
          Just this….

          Gassho,
          Jay

          Sat/lah today

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          • Hoko
            Member
            • Aug 2009
            • 458

            #6
            A whole lifetime are the Buddha's Teachings

            Gassho,
            Hōkō

            ST/LAH
            法 Dharma
            口 Mouth

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            • Matt Johnson
              Member
              • Jun 2024
              • 493

              #7
              See 6th grave precept...

              _/\_
              sat/ah
              matt

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              • Tairin
                Member
                • Feb 2016
                • 2849

                #8
                Originally posted by Ramine
                Sit zazen, keep the precepts, carry on.

                Ramine
                Sat and Lah
                I love it. This was going to be my answer too.

                I will add “All of life is our temple”


                Tairin
                Sat today and lah
                泰林 - Tai Rin - Peaceful Woods

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                • BikeZen
                  Member
                  • Jan 2024
                  • 86

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Jundo
                  Dear All,
                  QUESTION: What are the Buddha's Teachings of a whole lifetime?
                  Gassho, J
                  stlah
                  Pointing at the moon, they say "don't be a gobbler of dregs".

                  Gassho,
                  Bill
                  Sat/Lah

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                  • Chikyou
                    Member
                    • May 2022
                    • 667

                    #10
                    The Buddha’s teaching is for all places and times, nothing ever lost or lacking.

                    In truth I don’t know if this question can be answered either but I took a stab at it.

                    Gassho,
                    SatLah
                    Chikyō
                    Chikyō 知鏡
                    (KellyLM)

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                    • Jundo
                      Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                      • Apr 2006
                      • 40719

                      #11
                      ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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                      • Meishin
                        Member
                        • May 2014
                        • 829

                        #12
                        "yes I said yes I will Yes."

                        Gassho
                        Meishin
                        stlah

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                        • Onsho
                          Member
                          • Aug 2022
                          • 141

                          #13
                          QUESTION: What are the Buddha's Teachings of a whole lifetime?

                          As if comprehension could be attained through one person's explanation.

                          Just to ask that question seems very asinine to me and Yun Men shuts it down so hard. He sees instantly that the monk didn't actually want the infinite information that would follow answering that question. He wanted to hear something clever that would give him pause. Yun Men not getting into it really opens the whole can of worms at the same time.

                          The Buddhas teachings of a whole lifetime are
                          The Buddha- Siddhartha, you, me physical existence multiplied by
                          Teachings- Anything deemed significant to the Dharma by a sentient being
                          squared by
                          Lifetime- All time that ever will or ever has existed.

                          42?

                          Gassho
                          Onshō
                          SatLah

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                          • Koriki
                            Member
                            • Apr 2022
                            • 266

                            #14
                            A monk asked Yun Men, "What are the teachings of a whole lifetime? "
                            Yun Men said, "An appropriate statement."
                            I think Yun Men is simply turning the question into a statement. It is reminiscent of the old Abbott and Costello bit, "Who's on first."
                            I see "What" as a variable that is different for everyone.

                            Gassho,
                            Koriki
                            s@lah

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