Blue Cliff Record (Case 13) Pa Ling's Snow in a Silver Bowl

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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 40772

    Blue Cliff Record (Case 13) Pa Ling's Snow in a Silver Bowl

    Hello Fellow Snowmen,

    This week we have another Koan on the identity (a better term than "relationship," which word implies just separately connected things) of the "Absolute" (unbroken Wholeness beyond division) and "Relative" (all the individual, divide beings, things and moments of the world.)

    In the POINTER, such is demonstrated as like clouds of white which cover the whole surface of the world, with all its separate stuff. These are not meant to be obscuring clouds, however, but the clear and unbroken Wholeness. So, depending on how one looks at it, the separate stuff of the world is there, each fully its unique self, yet all also is just the unbroken and undivided Wholeness. Likewise, white snow on white flowers ... here is a picture of that ...
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    But it is also this ...
    . 408-swatch.jpg


    And also this ...
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    Each of the above the same and identical picture, just seen with different eyes.

    The lines of the POINTER about its coldness yet fineness as powdered snow is just another reference to its purity yet individuality. It is so pure, so whole, so clear, that even a Buddha cannot see "through" it (how does one see "through" something which is already perfect clarity?) and demons (said to be clever in looking for faults) cannot find a fault there. Even the cleverest philosophers (who are so smart that they can understand 3 things when the teacher only raises one point) can't analyze it.

    In the CASE, some commentators note that the "School of Kanadeva" is an alternate name for the Zen School because Kanadeva was the 15th Zen Ancestor in India. So, the question is something like, "What is the central teaching of Zen?" The response makes the same point as above, with the simile of snow in a mirrorlike silver bowl. This is part of a famous similar passage in another famous Zen teaching, the Hôkyôzammai by Soto Zen founder Tozan, which speaks of ""Heaping up snow upon a silver bowl, hiding a (white) egret in the clear moonlight."

    The COMMENTARY tells the famous story where Kanadeva met the 14th Ancestor, Master Nagarjuna, and demonstrated this by tossing a thin, fine needle in a bowl of water. The sharp needle was still there, for sure, yet it vanished in the liquid. Other images in the COMMENTARY, such as "each branch of coral upholds (embodies) the moon" and "the clear eyed man fell into a well," express a like feeling.

    Kanadeva was also good at debate, and the COMMENTARY and VERSE make the point that he would best folks of the many (96) philosophical schools on intellectual and doctrinal debate (debate losers would have to turn their shirts inside out, have their hands or head cut, or a red flag would be waved or knocked over.) Kanadeva instead made them all his disciples.

    ASSIGNMENT:
    Please give us a like simile or image for this teaching. For example, I will say "like blood in the tomato soup!" or "ice sculptures in the boiling pot." What do you offer?
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    Gassho, J
    stlah
    Last edited by Jundo; 11-11-2024, 12:11 AM.
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE
  • StephenB
    Member
    • Jan 2024
    • 16

    #2
    Jundo,

    Thank you for the message and the photos. My day job is as a gardener. Throughout my day I find myself stressed, and will take a moment to watch the clouds in the sky drift by. It reminds me how transient and changing water is. Sometimes it floats in the sky, at other times it falls as rain watering the dandelions, and still other times it rests as frozen ice. When I saw the snow on top of the dandelion in the photo I realized my beautiful drifting cloud is visiting as snow. In zazen, I see that I am always changing, yet always the same. Thank you for the message.

    Gassho, StephenB
    stlah

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    • Meishin
      Member
      • May 2014
      • 834

      #3
      Wisdom robed in ignorance

      Gassho
      Meishin
      stlah

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      • Ramine
        Member
        • Jul 2023
        • 186

        #4


        nobodies and somebodies, all buddhas in a crowd
        say somebody, say nobody, and you've missed


        Ramine
        Sat and Lah
        Gassho

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        • Brett
          Member
          • Mar 2024
          • 161

          #5
          As empty as a starless galaxy in the universe.

          st/lah
          gassho
          brett

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          • Hoko
            Member
            • Aug 2009
            • 458

            #6
            Like dropping your Invisalign aligners into a swimming pool.
            (Come on, you know I had to do it. Lol)

            Gassho,
            Hoko
            ST/LAH

            PS: I just want to say thank you to Jundo for providing a very clear explanation of what would have been a pretty impenetrable case for me otherwise. I am sincerely grateful for the teaching.

            法 Dharma
            口 Mouth

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            • Matt Johnson
              Member
              • Jun 2024
              • 526

              #7
              _/\_
              sat/ah
              matt
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              • Onsho
                Member
                • Aug 2022
                • 142

                #8
                Hiding the silver behind the glass in the mirror.

                Gassho
                Onsho
                SatLah

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                • Tairin
                  Member
                  • Feb 2016
                  • 2866

                  #9



                  Tairin
                  Sat today and lah
                  泰林 - Tai Rin - Peaceful Woods

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                  • Matt Johnson
                    Member
                    • Jun 2024
                    • 526

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Tairin
                    classic!

                    A lot could be done with that with just amplitude control... arguably the condenser mic is more responsible for that piece than anything else...

                    _/\_
                    sat/ah
                    matt

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                    • BikeZen
                      Member
                      • Jan 2024
                      • 94

                      #11
                      buddhaccino.jpg
                      Milk in a cappuccino

                      Gassho,
                      Bill
                      Sat

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                      • ZenJay
                        Member
                        • Apr 2024
                        • 248

                        #12
                        A single violin playing with a large orchestra…


                        Gassho,
                        Jay

                        Sat/lah today

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                        • Hoseki
                          Member
                          • Jun 2015
                          • 685

                          #13
                          The buddha dwells peacefully, at home, in hell.

                          Gassho,

                          Hoseki

                          sattoday/lah
                          Last edited by Hoseki; 11-18-2024, 02:02 PM. Reason: I forgot the signature.

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                          • Ganshijue
                            Member
                            • Nov 2024
                            • 4

                            #14
                            The still, black, mountain lake, reflects the moonless night sky.
                            Last edited by Ganshijue; 11-20-2024, 12:16 AM.

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                            • Chikyou
                              Member
                              • May 2022
                              • 674

                              #15
                              Rain in the ocean, wind in the sky.

                              Gassho,
                              SatLah,
                              Chikyō
                              Chikyō 知鏡
                              (KellyLM)

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