Blue Cliff Record (Case 7) Hui Ch'ao Asks about Buddha

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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 40539

    Blue Cliff Record (Case 7) Hui Ch'ao Asks about Buddha

    Hello Buddha,

    Today's CASE is short, but the POINTER is long. The POINTER makes the point that there is some Wisdom "before sound" that even 1000 sages cannot say in words. If you have never experienced "it," you are worlds apart from "it," but actually, "it" is not an "it" apart from you to get. When there is no "Buddha" apart, nor "you" apart, you are this Buddha. Then everything is it, from the smallest atom to the greatest galaxy. The line at the end about "sweating horses of the past" may mean that folks only see a simple response, like in today's Koan, but don't really know all the years of practice and profound depth that went into such a subtly simple response (like seeing a champion athlete who "makes it look easy" because we don't know the hundreds of hours of training it took him to get to that level.)

    In the CASE, the question is "What is Buddha?" The response is "You are you."

    The COMMENTARY, as always, warns against mere intellectual interpretation. So, saying things like, "It is much like riding an ox searching for an ox" are wrong if only an intellectual notion, but right if truly felt. There are many sayings like this, such as "the fire boy searches for fire" that must be truly known (we must really get burned), not just intellectually as a concept.

    The VERSE is also about folks who really get this ("become dragons") versus just intellectual understanding ("scooping pond water.")

    QUESTION: What is Buddha? Please present "words before sound" that are not merely intellectual understanding.
    .


    Gassho, J
    stlah
    Last edited by Jundo; 09-29-2024, 03:11 AM.
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  • Matt Johnson
    Member
    • Jun 2024
    • 423

    #2
    慧超 (Echo) (Hui Ch'ao)

    Buddha's Transcendent Wisdom asks: What is the self?
    "It's teeth like sword trees, cutting through mist."
    It's a mouth like a blood bowl, truth spills red—
    Nothing lost, nothing missed."

    _/\_
    sat/ah
    matt
    Last edited by Matt Johnson; 09-29-2024, 11:05 AM.

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    • Jundo
      Treeleaf Founder and Priest
      • Apr 2006
      • 40539

      #3
      Originally posted by Matt Johnson
      慧超 (Echo)

      Buddha's Transcendent Wisdom asks: What is the self?
      "It's teeth like sword trees, cutting through mist."
      It's a mouth like a blood bowl, truth spills red—
      Nothing lost, nothing missed."

      Sign your blood bowl. Even sword trees need a name and "STLAH".

      Gassho, J
      stlah
      ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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      • Houzan
        Member
        • Dec 2022
        • 532

        #4
        Asking “what is Buddha” is already in Buddha. From where does it come? From its own tail.

        Gassho, Hōzan
        satlah
        Last edited by Houzan; 09-29-2024, 05:10 AM.

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        • Chikyou
          Member
          • May 2022
          • 659

          #5
          The whole universe contained
          In a drop of dew
          The wind blows
          I fall into the pond

          Gassho,
          SatLah
          Chikyō
          Chikyō 知鏡
          (KellyLM)

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          • Jundo
            Treeleaf Founder and Priest
            • Apr 2006
            • 40539

            #6
            Originally posted by Chikyou
            The whole universe contained
            In a drop of dew
            The wind blows
            I fall into the pond

            Gassho,
            SatLah
            Chikyō
            I hope you can swim!

            Gassho, J
            stlah
            ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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            • Chikyou
              Member
              • May 2022
              • 659

              #7
              Originally posted by Jundo

              I hope you can swim!

              Gassho, J
              stlah
              I am the ocean, where would I swim to?

              Gassho,
              SatLah
              Chikyō
              Chikyō 知鏡
              (KellyLM)

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              • BikeZen
                Member
                • Jan 2024
                • 78

                #8
                Originally posted by Jundo
                [B]QUESTION: Jundo asks "What is Buddha?"
                You are Jundo. You are BIll. You are a partridge (sometimes in a pear tree).

                You are not the asking and you are not the calling deep within the flowers.

                Gassho,
                Bill

                Sat/lah
                Last edited by BikeZen; 10-02-2024, 03:34 PM.

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                • Ramine
                  Member
                  • Jul 2023
                  • 164

                  #9
                  ... what is Budda is what is Hui Ch'ao is what is Ramine is what is Buddha ...
                  (thow in a partridge if you like )

                  Ramine
                  Sat and Lah
                  Gassho

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                  • Tairin
                    Member
                    • Feb 2016
                    • 2837

                    #10
                    When I sit facing the wall, I am facing the wall as I sit.


                    Tairin
                    Sat today and lah
                    泰林 - Tai Rin - Peaceful Woods

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                    • Jundo
                      Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                      • Apr 2006
                      • 40539

                      #11
                      Originally posted by BikeZen

                      ... You are a partridge (sometimes in a pear tree).
                      Not even Halloween yet, and they start with X-Mass. It gets earlier every year.

                      Gassho, J
                      stlah



                      ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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                      • Meishin
                        Member
                        • May 2014
                        • 824

                        #12
                        What is Buddha?
                        Buddha is what (comes up).
                        Charlie barks.
                        Eye floaters float
                        Tinnitus.

                        Gassho
                        Meishin
                        stlah

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                        • Jundo
                          Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 40539

                          #13
                          Really enjoying the responses this time. I feel that they are coming from places of Wisdom, not mere fun and games.

                          Gassho, J
                          stlah
                          ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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                          • ZenJay
                            Member
                            • Apr 2024
                            • 188

                            #14
                            It’s not what you think!

                            Gassho,
                            Jay

                            Sat/lah today

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                            • Hoko
                              Member
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 458

                              #15
                              QUESTION: What is Buddha?
                              YES!

                              Gassho,
                              Hoko

                              ST/LAH
                              法 Dharma
                              口 Mouth

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