Shikantaza and the Morning Star

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  • Onkai
    Senior Priest-in-Training
    • Aug 2015
    • 3124

    #31
    Thank you, Jundo, for bumping this essay up.

    Gassho, Onkai
    Sat lah
    美道 Bidou Beautiful Way
    恩海 Onkai Merciful/Kind Ocean

    I have a lot to learn; take anything I say that sounds like teaching with a grain of salt.

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    • Kaitan
      Member
      • Mar 2023
      • 573

      #32
      Originally posted by mdonnoe
      I LOVE this phrase! I'm particularly reminded in reading your commentary of Dogen's "Zazenshin" from the Shobogenzo as well.

      Shohaku Okamura has a great commentary on Zazenshin, which I think makes a good "companion piece" to your commentary here:
      When we practise for certain lengths of time we find that our motivation itself is influenced by poison. Then we often have doubts about our practice and whether or not it works to lessen the suffe…



      Gassho,

      Michael

      SatLah
      This quote from the text is really interesting

      In order to practice to be free from the three poisonous states of mind, we need the three poisonous states of mind.
      I didn't think about practice from this point of view in the context of BodhiCitta. Life is a Koan indeed

      Thank you for sharing

      Gasshō

      stlah, Kaitan
      Kaitan - 界探 - Realm searcher

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      • Alina
        Member
        • Jul 2023
        • 181

        #33
        Originally posted by joshr
        Also, FWIW, the default was set such that I couldn't see other people's avatars, so I didn't know that was a thing. OMG, what a difference!
        Thank you Joshua for writing this, my defaults were also set to not show avatars, so I didn't know about them either. What a difference indeed!

        Gassho,
        Alina
        st+lah

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        • Alina
          Member
          • Jul 2023
          • 181

          #34
          Originally posted by Jundo
          I heard some folks comparing Shikantaza to other ways of Zazen and meditation: Is it better or not? Faster or slower? For beginners or only experts? Should we add this or that to improve the practice? Are we just sitting around, letting life pass us by? Should I train to be ready to do it? Should I give it up and find something else? Is it progressing as it should?

          They do not realize that this very drive for comparing, timing, categorizing, our constant need to improve, need to get ready, to switch, ever to rate --IS-- the very cause of human suffering and alienation that Zazen is meant to cure.
          Thank you Jundo for bumping up this essay.

          When I started meditating years ago, I spent a ton of time "comparing, timing, categorizing" etc, and I feel like it kept me searching, following a yearning maybe? I am not sure what exactly it is I was looking for, but I stopped searching when I found Zazen. Maybe those who don't realize that Zazen is the cure still need to go through that searching phase? Does everyone go through that?

          Gassho
          Alina
          st+lah

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          • Jundo
            Treeleaf Founder and Priest
            • Apr 2006
            • 40868

            #35
            Originally posted by Alina
            Thank you Jundo for bumping up this essay.

            When I started meditating years ago, I spent a ton of time "comparing, timing, categorizing" etc, and I feel like it kept me searching, following a yearning maybe? I am not sure what exactly it is I was looking for, but I stopped searching when I found Zazen. Maybe those who don't realize that Zazen is the cure still need to go through that searching phase? Does everyone go through that?

            Gassho
            Alina
            st+lah
            I think so, and I think that Okumura Roshi's essay, which Michael posted above, hits that nail on the headless head!

            I feel that there is an aspect to this practice where we come searching searching, pushing pushing, wanting wanting ...

            ... until, suddenly, one day we put down that struggle and Just Sit.

            This is a good way to hear the old Koan about Bodhidharma ...

            Bodhidharma sat facing the wall.

            The Second Patriarch stood in the snow ... crying, “My mind has no peace as yet! I beg you, master, please pacify my mind!”

            “Bring your mind here and I will pacify it for you,” replied Bodhidharma.

            “I have searched for my mind, and I cannot take hold of it,” said the Second Patriarch.

            “Now your mind is pacified,” said Bodhidharma.


            Gassho, J

            stlah
            ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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            • Tairin
              Member
              • Feb 2016
              • 2896

              #36
              Thank you for the reminder Jundo. This is an important teaching.


              Tairin
              Sat today and lah
              泰林 - Tai Rin - Peaceful Woods

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              • Houzan
                Member
                • Dec 2022
                • 544

                #37
                The best means to be Buddha is to give up the need to do anything beside sitting (or walking when walking, standing when standing, lying in a sickbed when so lying), including giving up the need to become Buddha
                - Zen master’s dance
                Don’t wish to be in any other moment than the moment you are in. Even if you are lost in thought. So simple, yet so obviously true [emoji120]

                Gassho, Hozan
                Satlah

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                • Tai Shi
                  Member
                  • Oct 2014
                  • 3456

                  #38
                  I nwill practice Shikantaza as I go under for new Pacemaker operation: this morning at 8:00 meeting with nurse, Anesthesiologist, and cardiac Surgeon. I will practice Shikantaza as I go under at 12:00 noon.
                  I cannot Host this morning's meeting. Please, someone ring bell and chant.

                  Gassho
                  Tai Shi
                  Peaceful, Tai Shi. Ubasoku; calm, supportive, for positive poetry 優婆塞 台 婆

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                  • Jundo
                    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                    • Apr 2006
                    • 40868

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Tai Shi
                    I nwill practice Shikantaza as I go under for new Pacemaker operation: this morning at 8:00 meeting with nurse, Anesthesiologist, and cardiac Surgeon. I will practice Shikantaza as I go under at 12:00 noon.
                    I cannot Host this morning's meeting. Please, someone ring bell and chant.

                    Gassho
                    Tai Shi
                    We will sit for your new ticker, TS.

                    Metta.
                    Gassho, Jundo
                    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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                    • Onkai
                      Senior Priest-in-Training
                      • Aug 2015
                      • 3124

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Tai Shi
                      I nwill practice Shikantaza as I go under for new Pacemaker operation: this morning at 8:00 meeting with nurse, Anesthesiologist, and cardiac Surgeon. I will practice Shikantaza as I go under at 12:00 noon.
                      I cannot Host this morning's meeting. Please, someone ring bell and chant.

                      Gassho
                      Tai Shi
                      Metta, Tai Shi .

                      Gassho, Onkai
                      Sat lah
                      美道 Bidou Beautiful Way
                      恩海 Onkai Merciful/Kind Ocean

                      I have a lot to learn; take anything I say that sounds like teaching with a grain of salt.

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                      • Tai Shi
                        Member
                        • Oct 2014
                        • 3456

                        #41
                        Shikantaza and the Morning Star

                        I am
                        Home from hospital i believe my Shikantaza was more effective than in many months this morning and I slept more soundly than I have in months. My new pacemaker has benefits I never anticipated. It is entirely different compony than my old pacemaker and this one computerized and changes each night when the terminal uploads data from our system to the computer in a distant city by means of a computer terminal in our home. Then the pacemaker adjusts for the next day. It does this by means of-a microwave box that is constantly in touch with the computer in a distant city and it changes every 24 hours fine tuned by the computer terminal in our home. I slept soundly. I had not slept in months like I did last night. The pacemaker had adjusted to the need of my body and meditation came easily because I slept soundly last night. The amount of O2 I needed received by my brain.
                        It seems to me that sitting quietly in zazen or Shikantaza can increase O2 to the brain because we are sitting quietly and breathing. Correct me if I am wrong. Gassho
                        sat/lah


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                        Peaceful, Tai Shi. Ubasoku; calm, supportive, for positive poetry 優婆塞 台 婆

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                        • Onkai
                          Senior Priest-in-Training
                          • Aug 2015
                          • 3124

                          #42
                          I'm glad the pacemaker is working out well, Tai Shi. Not much can compare to a good night's sleep.

                          Gassho, Onkai
                          Sat lah
                          美道 Bidou Beautiful Way
                          恩海 Onkai Merciful/Kind Ocean

                          I have a lot to learn; take anything I say that sounds like teaching with a grain of salt.

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                          • Jundo
                            Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                            • Apr 2006
                            • 40868

                            #43
                            Originally posted by Tai Shi
                            I am
                            Home from hospital i believe my Shikantaza was more effective than in many months this morning and I slept more soundly than I have in months. My new pacemaker has benefits I never anticipated. It is entirely different compony than my old pacemaker and this one computerized and changes each night when the terminal uploads data from our system to the computer in a distant city by means of a computer terminal in our home. Then the pacemaker adjusts for the next day. It does this by means of-a microwave box that is constantly in touch with the computer in a distant city and it changes every 24 hours fine tuned by the computer terminal in our home. I slept soundly. I had not slept in months like I did last night. The pacemaker had adjusted to the need of my body and meditation came easily because I slept soundly last night. The amount of O2 I needed received by my brain.
                            Gassho
                            sat/iah


                            The old morning star is good, tech is often good too. In fact, I will be making a video on this later today, at the old Medicine Buddha shrine in our village. It is dedicated to Yakushi Nyorai, the medicine Buddha. In past centuries, the people living in our little village did not have access to modern doctors and hospitals. Sometimes praying to this Buddha was all they had.


                            Remote control pace makers sound better for some things.

                            Gassho, J

                            stlah
                            ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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                            • Tai Shi
                              Member
                              • Oct 2014
                              • 3456

                              #44
                              The old morning star is good, tech is often good too. In fact, I will be making a video on this later today, at the old Medicine Buddha shrine in our village. It is dedicated to Yakushi Nyorai, the medicine Buddha. In past centuries, the people living in our little village did not have access to modern doctors and hospitals. Sometimes praying to this Buddha was all they had.
                              True, Jundo. A medical condition must be addressed by a medical practitioner, and Shikantaza must be addressed by a teacher of Shikantaza, as under the Bod-hi Tree one saw the morning star and touched the earth. This was a true practitioner of Shikantaza. I take heed to pay attention to Purity, so thank you for all your instruction Jundo, Roshi.
                              Gassho
                              sat/lah
                              Last edited by Jundo; 03-25-2024, 12:11 AM.
                              Peaceful, Tai Shi. Ubasoku; calm, supportive, for positive poetry 優婆塞 台 婆

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