Of Shikantaza and "Mindfulness"

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 40993

    Of Shikantaza and "Mindfulness"

    The question comes up from time to time on the differences (and samenesses) between Shikantaza and "mindfulness" meditation.

    In part, that depends on how one defines "mindfulness," and the particular way a certain book or teacher presents "mindfulness meditation."

    If one means "mindfulness" as being the practice of scanning and labeling thoughts and emotions as they arise, it is a wonderful practice very much for all Buddhists ... but we do not actively engage in such practice during the sitting of Shikantaza Zazen. In Shikantaza, one simply lets thoughts go without identifying and labeling their type, or particularly trying to witness (as found in some kinds of Vipassana meditation) their source of arising. In Shikantaza, one lets thoughts pass without grabbing on or stirring up, perhaps finding that there is also stillness between ... and within ... the thoughts too. At other times in life, it is lovely to become aware of one's thoughts and emotions more, identify them so as not to buy into what they are selling so much. However, not during the sitting of Shikantaza Zazen. (We have a recommended daily practice here at Treeleaf based on such mindfulness of our thoughts and emotions: Nurturing Seeds PRACTICE)

    Some types of modern "mindfulness" meditation are closer to such "scanning and labeling," but others are closer in various ways to (and have been influenced to some degree by) Shikantaza/Just Sitting. However. if one is following the breath in order to intentionally "feel peaceful" or to intentionally relax, then that is not really Shikantaza. In Shikantaza, one radically drops all need and intents, even to feel peaceful or relax. The only need and intent is to sit for sitting's sake, with that a complete and fulfilled act in and of itself. (However, strange as it may sound, this very dropping of need and intent ... even to feel peace or relax ... leads to its own profound Peace because that very hunger and need is what causes human beings to feel lack and dis-ease in the first place!)

    If one is sitting a kind of mindfulness "letting thoughts go, accepting the moment, no goals or demands" then that is obviously very very Shikantaza-ish! However, even then, what might be missing? I would say that one might still be subtly sitting in order to get that "peace and relaxation" pay-off (which actually robs one of the real treasure). Second, there is a certain power to Shikantaza when one sits as a kind of "sacred act," feeling that one is sitting "the one place to be. and the one action that needs to be done in that momentless moment of sitting in all time and space." One is truly a Buddha sitting sitting Buddha in that instant of sitting. One is sitting as a shining jewel at the center of all reality that is a shining jewel, wherein all things and moments are shining jewels shining in and out of shining jewels. Furthermore, the point of the sitting is not just to feel "peace and relax," but rather, the hard borders that separate onself and the "not myself" world should begin to soften, or even fully drop away, such that one experiences the whole of the universe, and all the things, people and moments of time of the universe, flowing in and out and as each other ... and as you and me too, and you and me just them. Then the true conflict between your "you" and the rest of the world (plus things like birth and death too) drop away as the separation and resulting frictions evaporate. Modern "mindfulness" training sometimes skips around such things, tending to be content with the pay-off of "just feel some peace and relax a bit." That is a shame.

    Other important aspects of Buddhist training may be left out, or undervalued, in Mindfulness courses, but they rob this Path of much that is important. As one example, the Precepts on avoiding the taking of life, not being greedy with excess desires, and the like may be undervalued (thus, for example, "mindfulness" courses are sometimes used to train soldiers to be colder killers, and business people to be more efficient and greedier money machines). Other Buddhist teachings, on how the universe is "Empty" and "Impermanent" free of only "individual self" (which is actually also its flowing Wholeness), our lives constantly reborn with every step, and the like may be neglected. As well, the aspects about how we must continue to bring freedom from excess desire, anger and divided thinking off the cushion and out into life, even after Zazen time is over, may be neglected.

    Oh, and one more thing: Sometimes folks understand "Mindfulness" to mean learning to do and experience one thing in one moment only, e.g., "when drinking tea, just drink tea; when washing the dishes, just wash the dishes." It is a bit off topic, but I also emphasize to people that such is just a skill that we learn to live sometimes, when appropriate, not as our way to be every waking moment. It would be a bit crazy, and many things would not get done ... it might even be dangerous and deadly ... to try to live such way all the time. Even most Zen monks I know often "multitask" (so I say "when needing to multitask, just multitask ... for that is what is happening in that moment too). One might say that our way is more about allowing the moment to be the moment, even if that moment is sometimes crazy busy or unpleasant sometimes. (I spoke a little more about this difference between being "in the moment" and "allowing the moment to be the moment" in an old post here: Being mindful of 'mindful' )

    So, those are some of the potential differences I feel.

    Gassho, J

    STLah
    Last edited by Jundo; 08-29-2019, 02:40 AM.
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE
  • Doshin
    Member
    • May 2015
    • 2634

    #2


    Doshin
    St

    Comment

    • Kendrick
      Member
      • May 2019
      • 250

      #3
      Thank you, Jundo

      Gassho
      Kendrick
      Sat/LAH

      Comment

      • Onka
        Member
        • May 2019
        • 1576

        #4
        Thanks Jundo
        Gassho
        Anna
        ST/LAH
        穏 On (Calm)
        火 Ka (Fires)
        They/She.

        Comment

        • Horin
          Member
          • Dec 2017
          • 385

          #5
          Thank you Roshi, for that wonderful teaching.

          Gassho,
          Ben

          St

          Gesendet von meinem PLK-L01 mit Tapatalk

          Comment

          • Heiso
            Member
            • Jan 2019
            • 834

            #6
            Thank you Jundo

            Gassho,

            Neil

            StLah

            Comment

            • Tairin
              Member
              • Feb 2016
              • 2921

              #7

              Tairin
              Sat today
              泰林 - Tai Rin - Peaceful Woods

              Comment

              • mundi
                Member
                • Aug 2019
                • 24

                #8
                Thank you Jundo, this spoke strongly to me.

                I have taught in the 'contemporary mindfulness' world, after being invited to train in and teach Mindfulness Based Stress Reduction (MBSR) about 5 years ago. I taught two rounds of 8 week classes in a facility attached to the local hospital, and had some very satisfied participants.

                I also concur with pretty much all you said.

                The instrumental (ie. 'stress reduction') attributes of MBSR combined with the transactional (eg. paying significant sums for this stress-reduction) meant I felt obliged not to enter into wider conversation and exploration of this practice when teaching. Indeed, most, but not all, of my students were not interested in this at all - I know, as I couldn't help going there sometimes, or at least dropping a few hints. (The few who did become curious about non-self and the 'flow of all as wholeness', and all else this might offer, would talk to me after class - all a bit awkwardly at first, as if there was some shame present, almost like 'coming out'. Similarly, a sense of joy/relief would often follow!).

                Some fellow teachers told me I was silly and of course I could 'go there' and open up this conversation. Ethically, I felt this wasn't what participants were paying for - indeed, some would have been horrified. In the end, I discontinued for this reason, and to tend more wholeheartedly to this practice we share.

                There's much more to say, and I don't want to get into a rant or be ungenerous about something that seems to help lots of people. For example, I could carry on about how contemporary mindfulness has taken on, and perpetuates, many of the unhelpful attributes of neoliberalism and late capitalism, etc etc etc...

                The Dharma will continue to take many forms, and is eminently adaptable which is remarkable (and not at all). Precepts seem vital, and help ensure this doesn't go into less helpful places such as those you've noted (eg. becoming skilful killing machines, something that Zen hasn't been immune to either). It's taken me many years to appreciate this. The opportunity to study the precepts with others during the coming Ango is therefore appreciated immensely.

                gassho

                dean

                sattoday/lah

                Comment

                • Jundo
                  Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                  • Apr 2006
                  • 40993

                  #9
                  ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

                  Comment

                  • Kevin M
                    Member
                    • Dec 2018
                    • 190

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Jundo
                    In Shikantaza, one simply lets thoughts go without identifying and labeling [them] ... one lets thoughts pass without grabbing on or stirring up, perhaps finding that there is also stillness between ... and within ... the thoughts too.
                    ...
                    In Shikantaza, one radically drops all need and intents, even to feel peaceful or relax. The only need and intent is to sit for sitting's sake, with that a complete and fulfilled act in and of itself.
                    ...
                    There is a certain power to Shikantaza when one sits as a kind of "sacred act," feeling that one is sitting "the one place to be. and the one action that needs to be done in that momentless moment of sitting in all time and space." One is sitting as a shining jewel at the center of all reality that is a shining jewel, wherein all things and moments are shining jewels shining in and out of shining jewels.
                    [T]he point of the sitting is not just to feel "peace and relax," but rather, the hard borders that separate onself and the "not myself" world should begin to soften, or even fully drop away, such that one experiences the whole of the universe, and all the things, people and moments of time of the universe, flowing in and out and as each other ... and as you and me too, and you and me just them.
                    ...
                    One might say that our way is more about allowing the moment to be the moment, even if that moment is sometimes crazy busy or unpleasant sometimes.

                    Thank you Jundo.




                    Gassho,
                    Kevin
                    Sat

                    Comment

                    • Ishin
                      Member
                      • Jul 2013
                      • 1359

                      #11
                      You know you can't market a self help workshop series if your underlying premise is there IS no self, and nothing to be attained. I feel duped. All this time I am sitting only to learn I have not learned mindfulness, and have just become a master of... nothing!

                      ( Kidding)

                      This is a great an poignant post Jundo, thank you! Also thanks for the reminder of Nuturing Seeds practice. I will bring it up in the upcoming Ango posts if nobody else does.

                      Gassho
                      Sat /Lah
                      Grateful for your practice

                      Comment

                      • Kevin M
                        Member
                        • Dec 2018
                        • 190

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Ishin
                        You know you can't market a self help workshop series if your underlying premise is there IS no self, and nothing to be attained.
                        and I do think this is partly why self help never really seems to work!

                        Gassho
                        Kevin
                        Sat


                        Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

                        Comment

                        • Jundo
                          Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 40993

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Ishin
                          You know you can't market a self help workshop series if your underlying premise is there IS no self, and nothing to be attained. I feel duped.
                          One can if one charges nothing, but then one gets nothing in return.

                          Gassho, J

                          STLah
                          Last edited by Jundo; 08-29-2019, 03:10 PM.
                          ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

                          Comment

                          • Shoki
                            Member
                            • Apr 2015
                            • 580

                            #14
                            Thank you Jundo. The thing about this practice that appeals to me is that there is nothing to grab on to. No mantra, no prayer, no visualization, no object, no idols. You just get down to the itness of it.

                            Gassho
                            STLah
                            James

                            Comment

                            • pinecone
                              Member
                              • Jul 2019
                              • 18

                              #15
                              Thank you Jundo. I love the image of the jewels reflecting and reflecting and reflecting...
                              I came across a lovely quote from D.T Suzuki recently,"When it [Zen] had to have recourse to intellection, it was a good friend of the Hua-yen philosophy". It's good to know it still is...
                              The great thing about the 'Mindfulness' movement is that it answers to something missing from many people's lives, the search for presence and meaning or even just some peace and quiet.
                              The less-great thing is that it doesn't answer it fully...
                              I tend to think of the contemporary iterations of 'mindfulness' as being tools which can be of genuine help to folk who are suffering physical or emotional pain and that is how I use them in my work as a health professional. They're good tools but not the whole kit and from a Buddhist perspective you could say that they have indeed been uprooted from their living context and this appropriation makes me feel a bit queasy.
                              And yes, it's become an industry.
                              IMHO.
                              Gassho to all
                              Mark
                              Sat/LAH

                              Comment

                              Working...