"'I' don't know" = True Knowing

[Jundo]

Thank you, Jundo.

Gassho,

Anchi

Hi Anchi!

Gassho, J

STLah

[Rich]

Thanks jundo. Very nice. When i began practicing don’t know I didn’t know it would become my whole life.

Sat/lah


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[Ekai]

Thank you Jundo,

Gassho,
Ekai

SAT

[Ugrok]

Thanks Jundo !

It's not easy to accept that "i don't know". For me, i want to know ! I want to make sense of things.

But basically, on a deep level, it's impossible. For example "Time" is an obsession at the moment. If time flows all the time, it means i can't be the same moment after moment. Yet i can "watch" Time flowing as an observer. But i cannot grasp the present moment. Am i separate from time ? Am i not ? Where the hell am i in time ? I don't know and i cannot know, and this drives me crazy hahahah !

How can i put these paradoxical questions to rest ? I like the idea of "not knowing", but it is far more comfortable to know things rather than not know them !

Gassho,

"Too much thinking "Uggy

Sat today

[Bion]

Thanks Jundo !

It's not easy to accept that "i don't know". For me, i want to know ! I want to make sense of things.

But basically, on a deep level, it's impossible. For example "Time" is an obsession at the moment. If time flows all the time, it means i can't be the same moment after moment. Yet i can "watch" Time flowing as an observer. But i cannot grasp the present moment. Am i separate from time ? Am i not ? Where the hell am i in time ? I don't know and i cannot know, and this drives me crazy hahahah !

How can i put these paradoxical questions to rest ? I like the idea of "not knowing", but it is far more comfortable to know things rather than not know them !

Gassho,

"Too much thinking "Uggy

Sat today

As far as I can tell, you can’t actually “watch” time pass, but rather you can BE time, with every breath, heartbeat, movement, thought. There is no other TIME for you than the one you are and you can only CONSCIOUSLY OBSERVE your own idea of past or present moments, as you finish processing the experiences.
So, really, what questions actually matter? You are now, and then, and later at the same time and all of it is just this and it is not hidden.


[emoji1374] Sat Today

[Risho]

what questions actually matter?

Are we there yet?
What's for dinner?



Gassho

Risho
-stlah

[Tairin]

As far as I can tell, you can’t actually “watch” time pass, but rather you can BE time, with every breath, heartbeat, movement, thought. There is no other TIME for you than the one you are and you can only CONSCIOUSLY OBSERVE your own idea of past or present moments, as you finish processing the experiences.
So, really, what questions actually matter? You are now, and then, and later at the same time and all of it is just this and it is not hidden.


[emoji1374] Sat Today

Beautiful!!

With one short and simple response you unlocked the mystery behind Dogen’s Being-Time.


Tairin
Sat today and lah

[Ugrok]

Someone told me this morning : the moment is eternal, and yet, all things have an end. This is sort of paradoxical to me, but maybe i'm wrong.

What bothers me is that if you can see things changing and ending, and you can, then it means you are not the change you observe. Oh or you mean we are not observing change, but rather unconsciously comparing every present moment to what was before and is now in our memory ? It's this continuity that i don't get.

Another occurrence of "go fetch wood and carry water", i guess... Sit down and shut up as always !

Sat LAH

[Bion]

Someone told me this morning : the moment is eternal, and yet, things finish. This is sort of paradoxical to me, but maybe i'm wrong.

Sat LAH

That’s a lovely saying!!! Fun fact: you know, there are different “sizes” of infinity for example .. [emoji1] Think of a series of infinite numbers starting with 1 and just continuing. But between 0 and 1 there’s also an infinite number of decimals.. so it’s infinity of a different size. The infinity of a moment is just the infinity of a moment, perfectly so [emoji1]

[emoji1374] Sat Today

[Koushi]

What bothers me is that if you can see things changing and ending, and you can, then it means you are not the change you observe.

This reminds me of..

"Since there is nothing but just this moment, the time-being is all the time there is. Grass-being, form-being, are both time. Each moment is all being, is the entire world. Reflect now on whether any being or any world is left out of the present moment." Moon in a Dewdrop; Writings of Zen Master Dogen, by Kaz Tanahashi, et al., p 76-77

—For Dogen, things don't happen in time—they are time.

"It is not the case that there is some universal 'thing,' form, or substance called 'time' of which all sentient beings and buddhas are individuations... Every thing, including ourselves, is just its moment of taking place or presenting." Impermanence is Buddha-nature: Dogen's Understanding of Temporality by Joan Stambaugh, p.51

—There's not that there is something called time. It is the very moment of our lives that is called time. It is just any moment and each moment as it is which includes all other moments.

Nice mind-bending topic, time (and not-time)

Gassho,
Koushi
STLaH

[Bion]

Someone told me this morning : the moment is eternal, and yet, all things have an end. This is sort of paradoxical to me, but maybe i'm wrong.

What bothers me is that if you can see things changing and ending, and you can, then it means you are not the change you observe. Oh or you mean we are not observing change, but rather unconsciously comparing every present moment to what was before and is now in our memory ? It's this continuity that i don't get.

Another occurrence of "go fetch wood and carry water", i guess... Sit down and shut up as always !

Sat LAH

What I meant is that what we see/experience is always a complete moment.. There’s not a single thing you can do about the moment being experienced and that includes “mentally processing it”. By the time you’re done seeing or smelling or tasting or thinking, that moment is gone and fully complete. Everything we call reality or everything we experience through our senses is created and served to us between our ears, and thus it is effectively us and we are it. If there’s an observation, we understand there also has to be an observer and the thing observed…but, can there be one without the other? In other words: what can Uggy observe that does not come from Uggy and is not effectively Uggy?

[emoji1374] Sat Today and used too many words, probably many wrong ones. I apologize for that

[Ugrok]

Well, everything, no ? If a tree burns and i watch it burn, i'm not burning.

But i guess this all comes back to the Heart sutra : emptiness is form, form is emptiness, etc.

What is contained in my empty awareness also is my awareness ; yet they are also separate...

Damn why is all so complicated

[Bion]

Well, everything, no ? If a tree burns and i watch it burn, i'm not burning.

But i guess this all comes back to the Heart sutra : emptiness is form, form is emptiness, etc.

What is contained in my empty awareness also is my awareness ; yet they are also separate...

Damn why is all so complicated

If Uggy’s eyes didn’t see the flames and Uggy’s nose didn’t smell the smoke, if Uggy’s skin didn’t feel the heat and Uggy’s mind didn’t use the concept of burning and tree, would the tree still be burning for Uggy? What else is burning if not the Uggy-tree?

[emoji1374] Sat Today

[Ugrok]

Well a lot of forests have burned without me seeing them...

I think we see a representation of what happens, that is created by our senses ; but that does not mean that we are what we see, nor that we are making things happen.

My burning tree is not your burning tree. Yet there is a tree that burns.

Oh well, i don't know !!!!

Gassho,
Uggy
Sat today

[Sekishi]

Damn why is all so complicated

For what it’s worth, it is not complicated at all. Trying to turn it into symbols and words makes it so.

Describe in plain English the causes and processes by which a seed becomes a great oak tree. You couldn’t do it with a thousand books. But place a seed in the earth and tree happens. How wonderful!

Gassho,
Sekishi


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