Soto Zen is not, and should not be, Byron Katie's 'The Work' (A Tentative Conclusion)

[Jundo]

Well said. Considering Trungpa drank himself to death, and abused people doesnt seem to me to be "Buddha" actions.

Some believe that a teacher can have great insight, and then is a "fully enlightened being" beyond all human faults. Sadly, I believe that one can have great insight (and realize that the whole world is a "fully enlightened being" and has been all along), yet still have serious personal faults which detract from that ... not unlike how one can be a gifted baseball player in one part of life, but a mess up in other parts of life.

Alas, Trungpa is not alone in this.

Also, any good Zen teacher should be a mix of insight and humanity, a human being not a perfect being (except in the sense that all being are perfectly imperfect perfect beings), although hopefully their faults are minor, not doing serious harm to themselves or others. That is what makes Trungpa and Sasaki and Shimano so serious ... they harmed others, not to mention themselves.

Sorry to run long.

Gassho, J

STLah