FLAWLESS FLAWS and the UNBROKEN PEACE of the BROKEN

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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 39982

    FLAWLESS FLAWS and the UNBROKEN PEACE of the BROKEN

    A post in my "coming down from the clouds, makin' it real" series ...

    Someone somewhere on the Zen Buddhist interwebs made a post (now gone) about attaining an Enlightenment that is said to be free of all confusion, where one's entire life is a constant meditation that does not break or stop no matter what you are doing or going through "even if you are being tortured." It is said to be without weakness or flaw and with complete clarity of view permanently, 24/7/365,

    That is an extremely idealized depiction of Enlightenment that I believe tends to become true only in legends about dead people as they gradually are transformed in story telling and are heralded as our long dead religious heroes. It is generally not true of living people during their life (although some cults do try to raise their leaders to such levels during life). When someone respected dies from George Washington to Dogen, even perhaps the historical Buddha, the biographers began to strip away all their humanity, and emphasize exaggerated perfections, in a process common in all societies and religions called "hagiography" of saints. Soon, many in the religious world are dipped in gold, made into statues put on pedestals, perhaps even assigned extreme "Marvel Comics" like powers and abilities. That does not mean that they were not incredible, wise, good, heroic, special people with something vital to teach, only that we tend to turn living flesh into heartfelt but imagined legends as time passes (even with modern people, and the process slowly begins during their life sometimes:



    Folks like D.T. Suzuki, with their early extremely romantic descriptions of the Ancestors, contribute to this impression among many folks in the English speaking world, and folks in all cultures, countries and religions want to believe the best about their religious saints and heroes.


    That being said, it is not the end of the story either:

    Zazen and Zen Enlightenment truly holds all this world ... including a world of birth and death, sickness and health, war and peace, love and torture, yet free of all that. Such is beyond time, so in that way, is truly "no break no stop." A Buddha's Eye truly does see and contain all in the world that is done or gone through or not done. Such is without "weakness or flaw" and nothing is lacking even as and amid this oh so flawed world. There is not an ounce of confusion, though life can be so confusing (not a drop of confusion about confusion). YIPPEE!!

    And yet, and yet ... We are flesh and blood in a world of birth and death, sickness and sometimes war. When I am tortured, I will likely scream, thank you. When my loved one dies, I will cry. (Yes, this is a Great Koan, and if the meaning is unclear of how all this can be true at once, someone perhaps knows "squat" about squatting Zazen ) ...

    Yantou Quanhuo (Japanese Gānto Zenkatsu) ... became master of Yantou Monastery, where he led a congregation of students. In 887 on the "eighth day of the fourth month" his temple was raided by bandits. When the bandits realized the temple had nothing of value to take, one of them stabbed Yantou—murdering him. it is said that his scream at death could be heard for ten miles. He was given the title Ch'an Master Clear Severity following his death. Yantou is the subject of several koan cases that appear in the Mumonkan. (https://books.google.co.jp/books?id=...master&f=false)

    Such is my belief as one practitioner, others may disagree.

    Gassho, Jundo



    From The Life of Dogen Zenji Manga Comic
    http://global.sotozen-net.or.jp/eng/...ex.htmlSomeone
    Last edited by Jundo; 05-30-2017, 04:07 AM.
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE
  • Kyotai

    #2
    Thank you Jundo.

    Gassho, Kyotai
    ST

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    • Joyo

      #3
      Yes, thank you, Jundo.

      Gassho,
      Joyo
      sat today/lah

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      • Suuko
        Member
        • May 2017
        • 405

        #4
        Hi Jundo,

        This is an interesting discussion. Would you say that the story about the person who spat on Buddha also an exaggeration?

        With all possible humility, in my experience, Zen practice made me more sensitive. I remember going to the market and being filled with extreme sadness when I saw chicken trapped and were going to be killed. I reached a point when it was physically not possible to eat meat. Zen practice does make one active and not reactive. For example, I may get a very nasty e-mail from a parent criticising my teachers and my management approach. I'd still reply to it very calmly. I'd also not react to a rude person.

        According to what I have read, Master Dogen cried when Orin's baby died. He shared everything and was compassionate. Ascetics got it wrong when they believed that no feeling was the way to enlightenment. A feeling of bliss is a feeling also. Isn't it? If one is seeking enlightenment, it's still a selfish motive, isn't it? We sit for others and we have no goals. This is true Dharma from what I have understood or realised, I must say.

        SatToday,
        Gassho,
        Geerish,
        LAH.
        Has been known as Guish since 2017 on the forum here.

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        • Jundo
          Treeleaf Founder and Priest
          • Apr 2006
          • 39982

          #5
          Originally posted by Guish
          Hi Jundo,

          This is an interesting discussion. Would you say that the story about the person who spat on Buddha also an exaggeration?
          You mean this story? I certainly believe such is possible!

          The Buddha was sitting under a tree talking to his disciples when a man came and spat in his face. He wiped it off, and he asked the man, “What next? What do you want to say next?” The man was a little puzzled because he himself never expected that when you spit in someone’s face he should ask “What next?” He had no such experience in his past. He had insulted people and they had become angry and they had reacted. Or if they were cowards and weaklings, they had smiled, trying to bribe him. But the Buddha was like neither, he was not angry, nor in any way offended, nor in any way cowardly. But just matter-of-factly he said, “What next?” There was no reaction on his part.

          But Buddha’s disciples became angry, and they reacted. His closest disciple, Ananda, said, “This is too much. We cannot tolerate it. He has to be punished for it, otherwise everybody will start doing things like this!”

          Buddha said, “You keep silent. He has not offended me, but you are offending me. He is new, a stranger. He must have heard from people something about me, that this man is an atheist, a dangerous man who is throwing people off their track, a revolutionary, a corrupter. And he may have formed some idea, a notion of me. He has not spit on me, he has spit on his notion. He has spit on his idea of me because he does not know me at all, so how can he spit on me?
          I certainly believe it is possible, and that such saintly behavior exists in human beings. As a matter of fact, I just posted to our Gojo Bodhisattva about this human saint who, I assume, was not even Buddhist ...

          A woman who tried to help one of the Portland train stabbing victims in his final moments is speaking out about his last words.

          [A man] is accused of stabbing three men who intervened when he allegedly yelled racial slurs at two young women, one of whom was wearing a hijab, on a Portland light-rail train Friday night.

          ... "I told him [hero named Taliesin Myrddin Namkai-Meche}, 'You're a beautiful man. I'm so sorry the world is so cruel,'" Macy said.

          "He said, 'Tell them, I want everybody to know, I want everybody on the train to know, I love them,'" she said. "He was a beautiful man, that's what I want people to know."
          Taliesin Myrddin Namkai-Meche was fatally stabbed Friday confronting a suspect who allegedly yelled racial slurs at two young women, one of whom was wearing a hijab




          Gassho, Jundo
          ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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          • Washin
            Treeleaf Unsui
            • Dec 2014
            • 3768

            #6
            Thank you, Jundo

            Washin,
            sat/lah
            Kaidō (皆道) Every Way
            Washin (和信) Harmony Trust
            ----
            I am a novice priest-in-training. Anything that I say must not be considered as teaching
            and should be taken with a 'grain of salt'.

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            • Taiyo
              Member
              • Jul 2016
              • 431

              #7
              Thank you, Jundo

              Gassho,
              Taiyo

              SatToday
              太 Tai (Great)
              陽 Yō (Sun)

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              • PClark1
                Member
                • Apr 2017
                • 94

                #8
                Thank you, Jundo.

                Gassho
                Paul Sat today LAH

                Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using Tapatalk

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                • Jishin
                  Member
                  • Oct 2012
                  • 4821

                  #9
                  Hi,

                  What does enlightenment mean?

                  Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_

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                  • Mp

                    #10
                    Thank you Jundo. =)

                    Gassho
                    Shingen

                    SatToday/LAH

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                    • Kokuu
                      Treeleaf Priest
                      • Nov 2012
                      • 6836

                      #11
                      Thank you, Jundo. I see that thread has been deleted now, either by the poster or the admins.


                      Gassho
                      Kokuu
                      -sattoday/LAH-

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                      • Zenmei
                        Member
                        • Jul 2016
                        • 270

                        #12
                        That version of enlightenment was how I understood it when I started reading about Zen as a teenager. It seemed so magical and unattainable, I didn't even think it was worth trying. That was obviously not something for an ordinary human like me, so I didn't even bother.

                        I feel like maybe the tendency to dip our saints in gold is partially a form of aversion to the way things are. We want to believe that it's possible for someone to rise above this mess and get a better deal, because if they can do it, maybe we have a chance.

                        I'm so grateful to have found a way that doesn't turn away from reality, that accepts things as they are, admits sometimes you have to jump up from sitting to change a diaper, or that sometimes your sitting is actually lying down, and that's okay. This way feels inclusive, not disregarding a single being, and that feels much more like awakening to me than some transcendent better-than-human perfect clarity.

                        Gassho, Zenmei
                        #sat/lah

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                        • tlsk
                          Member
                          • May 2017
                          • 37

                          #13
                          Thank you, Jundo.

                          Gassho,
                          Taylor
                          SatToday
                          a bee / staggers out / of the peony.
                          -matsuo basho

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                          • Austin P
                            Member
                            • May 2017
                            • 2

                            #14
                            Interesting thoughts on becoming larger than life.
                            Thanks,
                            Austin P, sat today

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                            • Doshin
                              Member
                              • May 2015
                              • 2641

                              #15
                              Thanks and thanks for a new vocabulary word "hagiography"

                              Gassho
                              Doshin
                              Sattodat/LAH

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