Why do you sit here,Soto Japanese style Zazen at Trealeaf?

[Jundo]

[QUOTE=Konan;172545]

I do not know what Jundo said.
I am begginer at English.

Let me try to summarize in Japanese ...

沈黙の時間があり、話をする時間があります

人々はここよりも安泰寺ではるかに話します。それをすべてを記録した場合, 個人個人やグループの会話で, 人々が生活の中で彼らの問題に天候に洗濯物にメニューにセレモニーの手順に禅について毎日話し ます. それはここに書かれた言葉であり、あなたはネイティブスピーカーではないので、実際よりも複数の単語である と思われるからです。

話をする時間に, 鈴木も多くのことを話しました

http://www.cuke.com/Cucumber%20Project/shunryu%20info/shunryu%20info.html

もちろん、私たちは日本人としてあなたを尊重し、私たちはあなたとしてあなたを尊重し。 だから何？

合掌, Jundo

[Kairu]

"Americans cannot stay at Antaiji", or "there are no Americans at Antaiji"?

Also, I don't think there's anything shameful or ignorant being part of an online sangha.

Additionally, I have respect for the Japanese, or else this school of practice wouldn't exist. We also wouldn't have some of the greatest minds this world has to offer.

You also have to give foreigners a break. Sure, we can visit Japan, but as for STAYING in Japan for (let's say) a 4 month retreat... You're gonna have to have a work visa or pay out the yin yang.

Just trying to be fair.

Kyle,
Sat2day.

And there are those who mostly prefer quiet, are always around but have little to say. You do not see them sitting in the back of the zazen hall at treeleaf, but they are there. We mostly cannot see each other, body language is not available to the senses at treeleaf and as such, one must make more care in expressing thoughts on forums.

I respect you Konan. Your roots or country of origin do not matter to me.

You were born on this chunk of dirt, I was born on that chunk of dirt.

It's just dirt

Thank you for your practice.

Gassho, Kyotai
Sat today

[Jundo]

[QUOTE=Konan;172545]

I do not know what Jundo said.
I am begginer at English.

So we are together at Antaiji.

Why do we stay together?

Turky French American from Itary Japanese.French come from Jewish
.

American is not country and said about their power.

Fuck and foolish and shame！

American can not stay there everybody.

Jundo must change mind.America must lose .

Also I know his roots!

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Hi Konan,

Now I am confused. Please write in Japanese so I can get your point.

Not sure what America or roots has to do with it.

Gassho, Jundo

Why do you sit here,Soto Japanese style Zazen at Trealeaf?

[QUOTE=Konan;172544]

I do not know what Jundo said.
I am begginer at English.

So we are together at Antaiji.

Why do we stay together?

Turky French American from Itary Japanese.French come from Jewish
.

American is not country and said about their power.

Fuck and foolish and shame！

American can not stay there everybody.

Jundo must change mind.America must lose .

Also I know his roots!

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英語はよくわかりません。

[Jundo]

Shyunryu Suzuki said. We say nothing after Zazen. You are saying to much.

Be quiet and just sit.

I am just only Japanese here.Do you have respect mind for me?

Gassho.What is mean of Gassho?


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Hi Konan,

There is a time to speak, a time to be quiet.

I think that I once told you in the car, as I was giving you a ride someplace, that if you actually could record every word spoken each day among the residents of monasteries ... be it Antaiji or Eiheiji or even a little temple like Anonji ... about everything from Zazen to Ceremony Procedures to the menu to laundry to the weather to their problems in life ... I guaranty that they have many more conversations, many more words than we do. How many one-to-one and group conversations and talks and phone calls and book readings happen in those places? So much more than here I bet.

Shunryu Suzuki sure said a lot!

http://www.cuke.com/Cucumber%20Project/shunryu%20info/shunryu%20info.html

What is probably confusing is that our little conversations tend to be in written form, not only oral, so tend to be more visible. Also, for non-native a written foreign language looks a lot harder and thicker sometimes (I know).

Of course we respect you as Japanese, and as you. So what?

Gassho, Jundo

Why do you sit here,Soto Japanese style Zazen at Trealeaf?

Shyunryu Suzuki said. We say nothing after Zazen. You are saying to much.

Be quiet and just sit.

I am just only Japanese here.Do you have respect mind for me?

Gassho.What is mean of Gassho?


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[Kyonin]

Thank you Mr. K.

This is so important for me that I think I might add it to my daily practice.

Gassho,

Kyonin
#SatToday

[Chiko]

Sitting with a group in person or online doesn't feel that much different to me. Both help to "align" my practice of sitting alone. But at the heart of this practice, sticky thoughts are sticky whether alone or not. Those sitting with me serve to remind me to return to planet Earth as frequently as I can.


Chiko (Matt/Zuhair)
SatToday

Thank you all for your practice.

Hello Konan,

Thank you for sharing the poem. I am interested in knowing more about Japanese culture ... thank you for offering to share this. It is an interesting question perhaps how Zen and Japanese culture intertwine or mix - what is the Dharma and what is Japanese in Zen, and does that question even make sense? In comparision to Buddhism in Asia, Buddhism in the West is much much younger and still establishing itself and being formed by our culture. Who knows what it will be in 100s or 1000s of years time.

In answer to your initial question, I have tried many different flavours of Buddhism and I am practising Soto Zen now because it feels like the right medicine, and I am practising here because I really like Jundo's teaching and this feels like a sangha where many online groups or forums do not. I am grateful that Treeleaf is available in my living room 24 hours a day, and also sometimes I struggle with the online nature of it too. I understand your need for 'breath and breath, blood on blood'...I really enjoy sitting with other people in a room meditating...it is very special. It sounds like that is really important to you. For me, this place feels special too.

I would be interested to know more about what you meant when you said you 'can not feel good word'. I wonder what 'good word' would look or feel like to you?

Gassho
Lucy
Sat today

Hi Konan

I'm not sure what you mean by you "can not feel good word."

But here is my response: who cares if you can't feel good words? That is your feeling.

If you're making an effort to throw away your mind, throw away these good words.

If you're making an effort to throw away your mind, throw away your effort.

Treeleaf is just online. A zendo is just a building. If one is real and the other isn't, then you're not throwing anything away. Where is the real Zendo, the real Sangha? In a building? In the mountains? In a hut? A hermitage?

Like Geika says, you can practice sincerely anywhere. You can't escape this anywhere - it's not online and it's not in a Zendo. That’s why I practice here.

Gassho,
Alan
sat today

Thank you Alan, very nice expression. =)

Gassho
Shingen

#sattoday

[Risho]

Excellent! Thank you Alan

Gassho,

Risho
-sattoday

[alan.r]

I heard good thought about treeleafer.But I can not feel good word...

Dogen went to China from Japan.So I went to Treeleaf and Antai-ji.And do effort to throw away mind.

I think we have more patient to study about Zen.
I know identity of Treeleaf Internet Zendo.But I just feel here is just online.

Breath and breath,blood on blood..I need.

I will report about Japanese Zen and sit with you.

Hi Konan

I'm not sure what you mean by you "can not feel good word."

But here is my response: who cares if you can't feel good words? That is your feeling.

If you're making an effort to throw away your mind, throw away these good words.

If you're making an effort to throw away your mind, throw away your effort.

Treeleaf is just online. A zendo is just a building. If one is real and the other isn't, then you're not throwing anything away. Where is the real Zendo, the real Sangha? In a building? In the mountains? In a hut? A hermitage?

Like Geika says, you can practice sincerely anywhere. You can't escape this anywhere - it's not online and it's not in a Zendo. That’s why I practice here.

Gassho,
Alan
sat today

Why do you sit here,Soto Japanese style Zazen at Trealeaf?

While "Zen" may be Japanese in character, I'd like to think it is the gift and legacy that many talented and dedicated teachers have given to us - it is the legacy of all humans who choose to practice and is not defined by national character - I know Nishijima and Suzuki believed this - others such as Nishitani Keiji of the Kyoto School and Hisamatsu Shinichi wrote broadly of this legacy. When zen or any religion becomes defined by a national identity, it becomes at best one dimensional.

There are many teachers and practitioners in the west who are continuing this legacy, and the form it will take, the name it will take on are a work in progress. It may not even be called Zen.

Deep bows
Yugen




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