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  • Kokuu
    Treeleaf Priest
    • Nov 2012
    • 6792

    Buddhism before Theravada

    Hi all

    This is an interesting series of talks, primarily for those Jundo calls 'Buddhist history wonks' about the religious traditions in India that the Buddha was living in and the development of Buddhadharma in the first millenium after his death.

    It is interesting that Theravada Buddhism only came into being in the 5th Century AD after Buddhaghosa wrote Vishuddimagga (Path of Purifaction) which comprehensively set out meditation practices for the Buddhist path. It is interesting to note that the allegedly modern Mahayana tradition is estimated to have its first sutras written in the first century BCE.

    http://www.audiodharma.org/series/207/talk/2602/


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    Kokuu
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  • Shugen
    Treeleaf Unsui
    • Nov 2007
    • 4535

    #2
    Thank you for the links Kokuu.

    Gassho,

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    • Mp

      #3
      Thank you Kokuu. =)

      Gassho
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      • Jundo
        Treeleaf Founder and Priest
        • Apr 2006
        • 39477

        #4
        Thank you Kokuu.

        I listened a few years ago, and if I recall correctly, Dr. Peacock also sought (like Stephen Batchelor) to present a very stripped down, secular view of Buddha.

        There is actually a panel featuring both of them that is rather interesting ...

        The final part of the interfaith series held by the Guardian in conjunction with St Paul's Cathedral, exploring Buddhism in its various manifestations.


        Gassho, J

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        • Mp

          #5
          Thank you Jundo, I will have a listen to this video as well. =)

          Gassho
          Shingen

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          • Kokuu
            Treeleaf Priest
            • Nov 2012
            • 6792

            #6
            if I recall correctly, Dr. Peacock also sought (like Stephen Batchelor) to present a very stripped down, secular view of Buddha
            That may well be true as he is currently a faculty member of the Oxford Mindfulness Centre which seeks to present a very secular form of practice.

            The above talks seem to be largely factually based, from what I have heard so far, but it is always good to know if someone has an underlying agenda.

            Thank you very much for the link to the panel discussion. On my first listen I wondered if he and Stephen had compared notes!

            Gassho
            Kokuu
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            • Myosha
              Member
              • Mar 2013
              • 2974

              #7
              Hello,

              Thank you for the links.


              Gassho
              Myosha sat today
              "Recognize suffering, remove suffering." - Shakyamuni Buddha when asked, "Uhm . . .what?"

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              • RichardH
                Member
                • Nov 2011
                • 2800

                #8
                Thanks Kokuu. I have listened to Peacock's series of talks twice and heard a mix of interesting information and modern ideology based on a socio-political-religious history that hadn't happened yet in the Buddha's time. For instance he is interpreting an ironic toned anti-Brahminism in the early teachings based in modern post-"enlightenment" attitudes toward traditional views, and contemporary conflict between science and belief based religious activism. He is also seeing Buddhism through the lens of modern psychology, and believes that the Buddha was working only on that psychological plane, because that is all that Peacock knows. It is a package deal. IMHO

                Gassho
                Daizan

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                • Jinyo
                  Member
                  • Jan 2012
                  • 1957

                  #9
                  That's interesting Daizan - have just listened to one of the on line lectures at the UK centre for Mindfulness and part of what I feel is why bring Buddhism into it at all - it's beginning to feel like a fancy bow tied on a connected ideology to make it more attractive? But I need to explore more - I'm very aware of my prejudices re Mindfulness and also at times speak in its defence. Guess I'm conflicted !

                  Gassho

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                  • Jundo
                    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                    • Apr 2006
                    • 39477

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Daizan
                    Thanks Kokuu. I have listened to Peacock's series of talks twice and heard a mix of interesting information and modern ideology based on a socio-political-religious history that hadn't happened yet in the Buddha's time. For instance he is interpreting an ironic toned anti-Brahminism in the early teachings based in modern post-"enlightenment" attitudes toward traditional views, and contemporary conflict between science and belief based religious activism. He is also seeing Buddhism through the lens of modern psychology, and believes that the Buddha was working only on that psychological plane, because that is all that Peacock knows. It is a package deal. IMHO

                    Gassho
                    Daizan

                    sat today
                    Hi Daizan,

                    Yes, yes, something such as that is what I recall when I listened a year or so back.

                    It may be an excellent ideology, but not necessarily "what the historical Buddha taught" in his time and society.

                    Gassho, J

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