Brad Warner on ordination

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  • Ryumon
    Member
    • Apr 2007
    • 1706

    Brad Warner on ordination

    Some interesting thoughts on something that's been on my mind lately:



    "People have asked what it means to be ordained as a Zen priest. The best answer I can give is I don’t know. I was ordained by Nishijima Roshi many years ago. But he never sat me down and told me what it was supposed to mean. He seemed to feel that I could work that out for myself. Whatever questions I asked him about it were met with answers from him that boiled down to, “You will figure it out.”"
    ---
    Ryūmon (Kirk)
    流文

    SAT/LAH

    I know nothing.
  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 39472

    #2
    Lovely!

    And I love Brad's Rakusus ...




    Gassho, J
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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    • Emmet
      Member
      • Nov 2011
      • 296

      #3
      At "Beginner's Night" meditation class recently, someone asked what rank or status was conferred by the rakuzu. I replied, "That of servant."
      Emmet

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      • Jiken
        Member
        • Jan 2011
        • 753

        #4
        Originally posted by Piobair
        At "Beginner's Night" meditation class recently, someone asked what rank or status was conferred by the rakuzu. I replied, "That of servant."

        Deep bows. I will remember this.

        Gassho

        Daido

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        • Taigu
          Blue Mountain White Clouds Hermitage Priest
          • Aug 2008
          • 2710

          #5
          Excellently put, Piobair. I always say that a priest is like something for all sentient beings to walk on. No special dignity. No rank. Nothing.

          thank you for that reminder

          gassho

          Taigu


          Soto Daiji and Shisho example as sent by Taigu.JPG
          Last edited by Jundo; 02-28-2017, 04:11 PM.

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          • Kyonin
            Treeleaf Priest / Engineer
            • Oct 2010
            • 6742

            #6
            Originally posted by Piobair
            At "Beginner's Night" meditation class recently, someone asked what rank or status was conferred by the rakuzu. I replied, "That of servant."
            Like Dosho says, wearing a rakusu is like wearing an apron. "How can I be of service?"

            Thank you.

            Gassho,

            Kyonin
            Hondō Kyōnin
            奔道 協忍

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            • Kokuu
              Treeleaf Priest
              • Nov 2012
              • 6791

              #7
              At "Beginner's Night" meditation class recently, someone asked what rank or status was conferred by the rakuzu. I replied, "That of servant."
              Really like this, Piobair.

              Excellent article by Brad too. Thank you for the share, Kirk.

              Gassho
              Andy

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              • Myosha
                Member
                • Mar 2013
                • 2974

                #8
                Hello,

                "You will figure it out out."

                Ain't it the truth.

                Thank you.


                Gassho,
                Edward
                "Recognize suffering, remove suffering." - Shakyamuni Buddha when asked, "Uhm . . .what?"

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                • Dosho
                  Member
                  • Jun 2008
                  • 5784

                  #9
                  Yes, they certainly represent Brad well.

                  I was surprised that the rakusus didn't have a ring.

                  Gassho,
                  Dosho

                  Originally posted by Jundo
                  Lovely!

                  And I love Brad's Rakusus ...




                  Gassho, J

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                  • Myozan Kodo
                    Friend of Treeleaf
                    • May 2010
                    • 1901

                    #10
                    Gassho

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                    • Genshin
                      Member
                      • Jan 2013
                      • 467

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Piobair
                      At "Beginner's Night" meditation class recently, someone asked what rank or status was conferred by the rakuzu. I replied, "That of servant."
                      Good to be reminded of this. Thank you, Piobair.

                      Thanks for the share, Kirk.

                      Gassho
                      Matt

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                      • Taigu
                        Blue Mountain White Clouds Hermitage Priest
                        • Aug 2008
                        • 2710

                        #12
                        hi Dosho,

                        rakusu of the nyohoe style, for lay people or priests NEVER have rings...

                        And if you get your rakusu from a monk shop, it will ALWAYS have a ring.

                        So ring is nothing to do with priesthood, but rather Japanese fashion.

                        gassho


                        Taigu

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                        • Ryumon
                          Member
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 1706

                          #13
                          A "monk shop?" That exists?


                          (Posted from my iPhone; please excuse any typos or brevity.)
                          ---
                          Ryūmon (Kirk)
                          流文

                          SAT/LAH

                          I know nothing.

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                          • Myosha
                            Member
                            • Mar 2013
                            • 2974

                            #14
                            Thank you.


                            Gassho,
                            Edward
                            "Recognize suffering, remove suffering." - Shakyamuni Buddha when asked, "Uhm . . .what?"

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                            • Shinzan
                              Member
                              • Nov 2013
                              • 338

                              #15
                              Monk shops do exist. The one I visited, Matsumotoya in Kyoto, was amazing. All the textiles, gold ornaments, doodads, bells (no whistles) and very expensive okesas you can imagine. Sit down and share tea while you develop your order. Their catalog is 300 pages, color glossy, but sadly all in Japanese. Temple standards/fashion seems complicated.

                              Craving arising. Heehee

                              My thanks too to Piobair, for the "rakusu = servant" metaphor. I've also heard the okesa referred to as a sign that says "bring your suffering here."
                              Shinzan
                              Last edited by Shinzan; 01-08-2014, 04:18 PM.

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