Kyogi Say What? Rev R Will B collaboration

[will]

Ok ladies and Gents. We've got a couple of dharma troublemakers in da house.

Beat master REV R on the drums. I don't even have to tell you what kind of trouble he's causing with those sick beats. Watch out.

With all my heart

Enjoy

Gassho Will

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_mu ... dID=698608

Words:

What am I gonna do with this Buddha Mind
I guess I'll bust a Rhyme


We are all children of the Buddha
come into this world with Buddha-Mind
failing to realize this,
we lead selfish, willful lives,
causing ourselves much suffering.
That's not the best

take refuge in the buddha, your spirits will come to rest,

our lives will experience harmony and the rest, and
we'll rejoice in being of service
We'll also experience that deep faith in us
stand up under any hardship
To discover happiness

[Shohei]

Nice work fellas!
Great tune! sorry i don't have much of a background in music besides know whats i likes- I likes Dis!

Gassho
Dirk

[Jun]

"The children of Buddha?!!!"

mmmm.....

Excellent beats. A superb collaboration!

Will your vocals are fine, but the lyrics [the wording of Sõtõ-shu according to their site] cuts against the grain.

[Steve]

The guitars and the beats are one, and yet not one. Going to be hard sitting still with it popping in my head tonight.



Great work on the collaboration. Some bad-ass drums there Rev. Thanks!

[will]

Hey Jun. Thanks for bringing that up.

These are the words that I went from:

http://www.sotozen-net.or.jp/kokusai/sotozenschool.htm

We are all children of the Buddha and come into this world endowed with the Buddha-Mind (busshin). However, failing to realize this, we live selfish, willful lives, causing ourselves much suffering.

If we make repentance to the Buddha and take refuge in him, our spirits will come to rest, our lives will experience harmony and light, and we will rejoice in being of service to society. We will also experience the deep faith that will allow us to stand up under any hardship. To discover happiness and a life worth living here is the teaching of the Soto Zen School.

Jun
Will your vocals are fine, but the lyrics [the wording of Sõtõ-shu according to their site] cuts against the grain.

How so?

I tried to stay as faithful as possible to the the original words.

I know the chorus could probably be misleading. I was a little reluctant about that.

Pardon my spelling (Kyogi)

Gassho Will

[will]

I'm going to change it.

Gassho Will

[Jun]

I tried to stay as faithful as possible to the the original words.

Will, it's the original words that cut against the grain, not your singing.

"Repent to the Buddha?" Thankfully you left that one out, but "Children of the Buddha?"

To me it smells of Jodo-shu (Pure land) or Christianity.

It's just me, not to worry. You all should ignore me on this one, hum-bug!

gassho

Ps. My wife wants to say that she thought it sounded like a cult song or a Christian song. It made her immediately think that in your eyes Buddha is a god. I showed her the original words on the Sõtõ-shu site and she just rolled here eyes!

She suggested it should say we are the followers of the Buddha.

[will]

I agree to an extent. I'm not really down with that either. That's why I was reluctant about keeping it. The new chorus will be "We are Buddha"

Gassho Will

[Jun]

Don't change it on my accord Will. My abrasiveness is not something to go by!

See what others think first.

We are Buddha is excellent!

Mind is Buddha - Buddha is mind. Without the mind how can there be Buddha?

[Rev R]

Well to be honest I didn't really mind the lyric as it was, but then again I don't think lyrically, so what do I know.

I am curious as to how "We are Buddha" is going to fit the melody though, you are the poet so I trust your judgment.

Thanks for the compliments and the listens.

Somebody call the doctor 'cause these beats are sick!

:twisted:

[Jundo]

Hi Guys,

I love the tune.

Just a comment on the quote from the Soto-shu homepage. "Soto-shu" is a giant institution, much like the Catholic Church. It expresses its "theology" in many different ways, sometimes "hard" and sometimes "easy to digest", depending on the writer and the audience. Most people who are members of the Soto Church in Japan (the English page is just a translation of the Japanese page) are not interested in the "deeper" aspects of Buddhist philosophy, Dogen ... they are not even interested in Zazen. They are just the Japanese equivalent of little old ladies who go to mass on Sunday.

What I am getting at is the homepage, and many Soto pamphlets and such, tend to express Soto doctrine in simple, easy to grasp, "feel good" ways and slogans for the masses (the Zen equivalent of "God is Love" or "We are all God's children") without getting too deep. I would take "We are all children of the Buddha" on that level.

Now, on the subject of Buddhas and children, please be sure to catch my blog talk today.

http://treeleafzen.blogspot.com/2008/01 ... xviii.html

It's like that scene at the end of 2001, A Space Odyssey, man, where he turns into a baby. It will blow your mind!



Gassho, Jundo

[Jun]

One of the reasons I try to stay far away from religious institutions.

Ritual complexities, and garbled interpretations, no matter how well intended, can cause quite a bit of confusion.

The general populace doesn't see things in quite the same way, with differing levels and understandings.

I'm sure we all understand the message behind that general "feel good" wording, but for those on the outside looking in...........

Gassho

[will]

Thanks for clearing that up Jundo. In the future I'll probably be asking you some questions.

The Kyogi still has some great stuff in it though, that sounds good to me.

The new copy is ready for download.

Gassho Will

[Jun]

I'll just read through posts and keep my thoughts to myself from now on. Sorry to create turbulence.

As Jundo says, whatever floats your boat.

[will]

That was entirely my decision dude. I wasn't really content with the way it was. We are Buddha seems to suit better. Why would you want to keep your wise ass comments to yourself? That's no fun.

G, W