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  • Jishin
    Member
    • Oct 2012
    • 4820

    The KISS principle.

    I am a fan of the KISS principle.

    Keep
    It
    Simple
    Stupid

    Has anyone come across something like this as an aid to studying Genjo Koan?

    1. Relative and absolute, don't get stuck in either.

    2. It's not about the self and no separation.

    3. Fully engage in whatever you do.

    4. There is a process to practice. We don't start at the finish.

    5. Practice is not near or far. It's always where you are standing.

    6. Impermanence. Illusion of fixity.

    7. Don't worry about the future.

    8. There is no hindrance with each person.

    9. Do not fix reality because it is not always as it seems.

    10. There is no limit to this life.

    11. Start here. Do one thing and that's mastery.

    12. This life is more than cognitive.

    13. An actualization.

    Gassho,

    John
  • Hans
    Member
    • Mar 2007
    • 1853

    #2
    Hello John,

    I am a fan of the KISS principle as well, however IMHO texts like the Genjo Koan have to express their worth mainly through actively lived life. The fact that they are hard to understand is part of the "chewing" process that kicks us a bit in the right direction without allowing our intellect to create another object to grasp...even if the object is called "understanding the essence of the Genjo Koan". When drowning in Samsara, analytical thinking will not stop our sinking.

    Which does NOT mean to lose one's critical faculties mind you. Living Zen does not equal having a lobotomy either.

    Gassho and may your chewing be long and fruitful,

    Hans Chudo Mongen

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    • Myoku
      Member
      • Jul 2010
      • 1487

      #3
      Thank you John,
      I think that one should not try to summarize the "essence" in something like Dogen's writings. A few years ago I was much into finding the core, the essence and writing it down in simple words. I even dreamt of a "Shobogenzo in a nutshell", so you get all the essence of it right on a silver platter. But in fact I feel that would "intellectualize" it only, put it into boxes and suddenly its dead knowledge and not alive. Anyway, there are some points you wrote which I think are good ideas to do or to be aware of.
      _()_
      Myoku

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      • Jiken
        Member
        • Jan 2011
        • 753

        #4
        Originally posted by Myoku
        A few years ago I was much into finding the core, the essence and writing it down in simple words. I even dreamt of a "Shobogenzo in a nutshell", so you get all the essence of it right on a silver platter.
        Something I generally do will all things. How can I make this info useful? How can I make it a tool to work for me? Deeps bows for your clarity to help me with mine.

        Gassho,

        Daido

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        • Rich
          Member
          • Apr 2009
          • 2601

          #5
          My first real job after college was in sales and that's when I learned about the Kiss principle. It can be helpful but returning to not knowing is what I settled with.
          _/_
          Rich
          MUHYO
          無 (MU, Emptiness) and 氷 (HYO, Ice) ... Emptiness Ice ...

          https://instagram.com/notmovingmind

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          • Sydney
            Member
            • Aug 2010
            • 120

            #6
            Genjokoan is maybe a bit like a really experienced sparring partner. Engaging with it regularly can gradually impart skill as a part of one's training program.
            Diligently attain nothing. Sort of. Best not to over-think it.
            http://www.janxter.com/

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            • JohnsonCM
              Member
              • Jan 2010
              • 549

              #7
              Genjo Koan must be walked and breathed as much as read. If you purify tea too much you just get water. Essential to life, necessary, but little taste.
              Keep
              It
              Simply
              Sitting
              Last edited by JohnsonCM; 02-24-2013, 01:32 AM.
              Gassho,
              "Heitetsu"
              Christopher
              Sat today

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              • Jishin
                Member
                • Oct 2012
                • 4820

                #8
                Thank you all for your insight.

                Gassho,

                John

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                • Jishin
                  Member
                  • Oct 2012
                  • 4820

                  #9
                  I am reading 'Dogen's Genjo Koan: Three Commentaries'. Seems like a good book. Anybody read it too?

                  Gassho,

                  John

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                  • Daisho
                    Member
                    • May 2012
                    • 197

                    #10
                    I've just begun reading Realizing Genjokoan by Shohaku Okumura. It's my first exploration into Dogen's writing. I'll find something memorable, hi light it, and then forget it in the time it takes to read the next 2 pages! That does concern me, but I think someone here said he'd read many Zen books and thought he'd forgotten it all, later realizing some of it came back and helped clarify later teachings he encountered in his practice. I just hope that happens with me.
                    Gassho,

                    Daisho


                    (Jack K.)

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                    • Jundo
                      Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                      • Apr 2006
                      • 39454

                      #11
                      Originally posted by John C.
                      I am reading 'Dogen's Genjo Koan: Three Commentaries'. Seems like a good book. Anybody read it too?

                      Gassho,

                      John
                      On Order, but the folks in it mean it has to be good.

                      Also, I am in the middle of this new one. For Dogen fans, some wonderful commentaries. The title is misleading because these are just wonderful riffings on Dogen, beyond boy or girl.

                      Receiving the Marrow Teachings on Dogen by Soto Zen Women Priests
                      Victoria Shosan Austin (Author), Teijo Munnich (Author), Josho Pat Phelan (Author), Jan Chozen Bays (Author), Shotai De La Rosa (Author), Seisen Saunders (Author), Grace Jill Schireson (Author), Byakuren Judith Ragir (Author), Shinshu Roberts (Author), Jisho Warner (Author)




                      Gassho, Jundo
                      ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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                      • Jishin
                        Member
                        • Oct 2012
                        • 4820

                        #12
                        Daisho,

                        I am like that too when it comes zen literature. In one ear and out the other. Nothing sticks. I think that is okay. It's designed to be confusing, at least in my case. :-)

                        Gassho,

                        John

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                        • Jishin
                          Member
                          • Oct 2012
                          • 4820

                          #13
                          Jundo,

                          I am to lazy to read anything that is hard cover any more. No iBook format for the book you are reading but they have a bunch of others that I am eyeballing already.

                          Gassho,

                          John

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                          • Jundo
                            Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                            • Apr 2006
                            • 39454

                            #14
                            I am reading it on Kindle ...

                            ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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                            • Jishin
                              Member
                              • Oct 2012
                              • 4820

                              #15
                              Got the kindle app for for the iPad and now I got the book too. Thanks for spending my money for me!

                              Gassho,

                              John

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