Split Thread: Kensho, Satori, Enlightenment and Everything!!

[Jakugan]

Damn it, Shingen gets Kensho and all I get is smashing a bunch of bugs with a stick. This zen thing is completely unfair! hahaha

For some reason this "style" really resonates with me right now. I think when I first started meditation I was chasing calmness and relaxation, then I was chasing some profound life changing experience, and now I'm not chasing anything. In fact I'm pretty sure there is nothing to catch. So, while I don't claim to have anything figured out or to be particularly good at anything Zen or Buddhist, I am quite content with this situation.

Now it is time to visit Shingen's summit... as soon as I get my zafu cover back on.

Gassho,
Nengyo

I used to be like this when I approached meditation. It sometimes felt like I had to struggle to achieve some perfect mindset that I thought I was supposed to be at. Since doing zazen I can see what I was doing wrong. Ironically, I've found it much easier to get to a place of calmness without trying to get anywhere at all.

Gassho,

Simon

[Jakudo]

Thank you for this reminder Jundo.
Gassho, Jakudo Hinton.

[Jundo]

Hi Myoku,

Sometimes it is good to talk about cooking and temperature and ingredients ... sometimes it is best just to cook.

Both together get the cake baked.

Gassho, J

[Myoku]

Hi all,
Nice discussion about the taste of Cherries, Strawberries and that wonderful Mangos,
in my limited, deluded view, all that theory is not of much of help. Sorry for the
post and thank you for your practice. Gassho
Myoku

In that sense, the memory of the glimpse can function as a great motivation.

If you forgot yourself, if body and mind dropped away, who is there to have a memory?

[Gen01]

Thanks Jundo!!

Gassho

[JohnsonCM]

Kensho from my reading is usually presented as a 'glimpse'...like a door opening, which can also close again.

In that sense, the memory of the glimpse can function as a great motivation.

Enlightenment means the door has fully opened, vanished from its hinges, taking the frame and even the wall along with it.

What door? What wall? What what? I can tell you conclusively that enlightenment is.....don't know.

[YuimaSLC]

Richard

[Eric]

Kensho from my reading is usually presented as a 'glimpse'...like a door opening, which can also close again.

In that sense, the memory of the glimpse can function as a great motivation.

Enlightenment means the door has fully opened, vanished from its hinges, taking the frame and even the wall along with it.

[Toun]

Thank you Jundo for explaining Kensho.
The analogy of the Grand Canyon was great. A definite "thumbs up" .


Deepest bows.


Gassho
Mike

[Shokai]

Jundo wrote;

But I am more Toot Toot Tootsie ...

But we all knew that

btw, did you notice how Al Roshi was the first to introduce Gangham Style (1:38)

he also does a little elvis at 1:19

[Jundo]

But I am more Toot Toot Tootsie ...

That is the PC version, by the way ... because back in the day blackface was acceptable.

[Jundo]

Hi Chris; Long time! I didn't know you as an Al Jolson fan

gassho,

Ah, Al Jolson Roshi ...

[Nengyo]

YES! Shingen!

THAT'S Kensho!

Damn it, Shingen gets Kensho and all I get is smashing a bunch of bugs with a stick. This zen thing is completely unfair! hahaha

For some reason this "style" really resonates with me right now. I think when I first started meditation I was chasing calmness and relaxation, then I was chasing some profound life changing experience, and now I'm not chasing anything. In fact I'm pretty sure there is nothing to catch. So, while I don't claim to have anything figured out or to be particularly good at anything Zen or Buddhist, I am quite content with this situation.

Now it is time to visit Shingen's summit... as soon as I get my zafu cover back on.

Gassho,
Nengyo

[Shokai]

Hi Chris; Long time! I didn't know you as an Al Jolson fan

gassho,