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  • anista
    Member
    • Dec 2009
    • 262

    Questions to the unsui

    Hello samgha,

    Since the news of our new unsui, I feel the time is right for some Q&A. These questions are directed at the unsui, so please, refrain from commenting if you are not unsui, if that is possible (meaning that the questions are directed at the unsui, but everyone can of course comment on their answers).

    I feel that it is important to know the different views of the unsui, since they somewhat represent this samgha (of course, we all do) and are seen quite a lot in the forum. It is interesting to see where our unsui are coming from regarding different Buddhist concepts. I realize that some have been unsui longer, and others have just started, but nonetheless, you probably have views in either way.

    This thread may be intellectualizing. If this is not your cup of tea, I am sure there are other threads to your liking. If nobody wants to answer, no problem. Even no answer is an answer!

    Questions:

    1. What is your take on rebirth? To simplify in absurdum: only moment-to-moment, or previous lives?

    2. What does awakening mean? How do you view that concept? How is that view comparable to the wider Mahayana corpus (does it differ or not for example)?

    3. Mind-only. Is this a teaching you follow, or not? That is, is it applicable to your practice?

    4. How strict are the precepts? Can they be altered to fit different conditions? Can you be part of a trade, for example by selling meat, liquor, guns, and still follow the precepts? Can you drink, kill or abuse, and still follow the precepts? How does this tie into the concept of karma-vipaka?

    5. What is your definition of prajna? Is this concept applicaple to your own practice?


    Please note that this is not about my own understanding; I'm not asking these questions in relation to myself. I'm genuinely interested in your views (I am thinking the answers may vary from unsui to unsui, hence the answers can be of great assistance to other people in this samgha). If a question is not applicable, please ignore it. Also please note that I am not looking for a discussion. Others may feel free to discuss, but I am not going to come up with counter-arguments just for the sake of discussing.

    May we all realize the buddha land.

    /anista
    The mind does not know itself; the mind does not see itself
    The mind that fabricates perceptions is false; the mind without perceptions is nirv??a
  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 39472

    #2
    Re: Questions to the unsui

    Perhaps some of these questions are best answered ... or left alone ... or answered silently ... later down the road, not at the very start of the trip.

    However, all good questions. I am curious too! 8)

    Gassho, Jundo
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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    • anista
      Member
      • Dec 2009
      • 262

      #3
      Re: Questions to the unsui

      Originally posted by Jundo
      Perhaps some of these questions are best answered ... or left alone ... or answered silently ... later down the road, not at the very start of the trip.

      However, all good questions. I am curious too! 8)

      Gassho, Jundo
      Well, start of the trip or not, I am sure they still have views, and there is still the title of 'unsui'.

      But nobody is of course forced to answer! There is no virtual gun pointing at our illusory existence!

      Be well,

      /Anista
      The mind does not know itself; the mind does not see itself
      The mind that fabricates perceptions is false; the mind without perceptions is nirv??a

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      • Risho
        Member
        • May 2010
        • 3179

        #4
        Re: Questions to the unsui

        Anista,

        I think these are awesome questions for all of us to clarify our practice. Thank you for these !

        Gassho,

        Risho
        Email: risho.treeleaf@gmail.com

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        • Hoyu
          Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 2020

          #5
          Re: Questions to the unsui

          Anista wrote:
          Well, start of the trip or not, I am sure they still have views, and there is still the title of 'unsui'.
          So do you believe there is a certian set of views one should poses to have this title?

          Gassho,
          John
          Ho (Dharma)
          Yu (Hot Water)

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          • anista
            Member
            • Dec 2009
            • 262

            #6
            Re: Questions to the unsui

            Originally posted by JRBrisson
            Anista wrote:
            Well, start of the trip or not, I am sure they still have views, and there is still the title of 'unsui'.
            So do you believe there is a certian set of views one should poses to have this title?

            Gassho,
            John
            No. The title unsui does signify something though (perhaps someone serving the samgha)? As unsui, they are set apart, otherwise all samgha members would be called unsui. Since they are already set apart, their views (unrelated to their title) are interesting in that context. I assume that they have views, as most humans tend to have.

            Take great care, John!

            /anista
            The mind does not know itself; the mind does not see itself
            The mind that fabricates perceptions is false; the mind without perceptions is nirv??a

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            • Nindo

              #7
              Re: Questions to the unsui

              What does Mind-only mean? I have no idea.

              And it's sangha by the way, with an N.

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              • anista
                Member
                • Dec 2009
                • 262

                #8
                Re: Questions to the unsui

                Originally posted by Nindo
                What does Mind-only mean? I have no idea.

                And it's sangha by the way, with an N.
                Hello Nindo.

                No, it's most definitely correct with samgha, with the letter M. In Sanskrit, the word is ???, not ????. The dot over the 'sa' is of course an anusvara, which is to be transliterated as the letter M (see Michael Coulson's Sanskrit for example for a short description of the anusvara and the use of M vs. N.), although the nasalized sound could be leaning more towards N. Or so I have been told. Both could perhaps be OK though to use, If I remember my grammar correctly, but I tend to use M more often in translations. But I am definitely interested in your use of N instead of M! Why do you prefer to transliterate the anusvara as N? Because of the sound? Or is there another reason that I have overlooked?

                Mind-only, or consciousness-only (cittamatra) is a school of thought on which the early zen buddhism was based (see Yogacara), and perhaps even modern zen buddhism (if we see those as separate).

                (Sorry for the lack of diacritics. I'm a bit lazy nowadays . Perhaps that adds to the confusion).

                /anista
                The mind does not know itself; the mind does not see itself
                The mind that fabricates perceptions is false; the mind without perceptions is nirv??a

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                • Hoyu
                  Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 2020

                  #9
                  Re: Questions to the unsui

                  Originally posted by anista
                  Originally posted by JRBrisson
                  Anista wrote:
                  Well, start of the trip or not, I am sure they still have views, and there is still the title of 'unsui'.
                  So do you believe there is a certian set of views one should poses to have this title?

                  Gassho,
                  John
                  No.
                  Hi Anista,

                  Given your answer I see you must have changed your previous opinions on such matters then. Thank you for the response.

                  Gassho,
                  John
                  Ho (Dharma)
                  Yu (Hot Water)

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                  • Kaishin
                    Member
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 2322

                    #10
                    Re: Questions to the unsui

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYi61ZhSZ74&feature=player_detailpage#t=5s[/video]]Challenge!
                    Thanks,
                    Kaishin (開心, Open Heart)
                    Please take this layman's words with a grain of salt.

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                    • anista
                      Member
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 262

                      #11
                      Re: Questions to the unsui

                      Originally posted by JRBrisson
                      Hi Anista,

                      Given your answer I see you must have changed your previous opinions on such matters then. Thank you for the response.

                      Gassho,
                      John
                      Hi John!

                      Everything changes!

                      (Although I am not sure where I have stated otherwise, and where my opinions have changed. Please, if you can, point me to where I have stated that there must be a "certian set of views one should poses to have this title [unsui]". But if I have changed opinions, which is likely, I am glad. It means I am not stubborn enough to never value another point more than the one I am currently having. Or something like that . I thought I was pretty clear though what this thread was supposed to cover, but obviously I have not been able to convey my meaning very well. For that I sincerely apologize. If there is anything unclear, please point it out so I can learn how to better phrase myself. I blame my somewhat lacking skillz in English ).

                      /anista
                      The mind does not know itself; the mind does not see itself
                      The mind that fabricates perceptions is false; the mind without perceptions is nirv??a

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                      • anista
                        Member
                        • Dec 2009
                        • 262

                        #12
                        Re: Questions to the unsui

                        Hello Matt!

                        I am sorry, but YouTube said that that clip was not available in my country. But I think I get the picture, anyway ...

                        All the best,

                        /anista
                        The mind does not know itself; the mind does not see itself
                        The mind that fabricates perceptions is false; the mind without perceptions is nirv??a

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                        • Hoyu
                          Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 2020

                          #13
                          Re: Questions to the unsui

                          :lol:
                          Thanks Matt. Cosby can lighten any mood. The best thing to do would be to take off the tap shoes!

                          Gassho,
                          John
                          Ho (Dharma)
                          Yu (Hot Water)

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                          • Jundo
                            Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                            • Apr 2006
                            • 39472

                            #14
                            Re: Questions to the unsui

                            Originally posted by anista

                            No. The title unsui does signify something though (perhaps someone serving the samgha)? As unsui, they are set apart, otherwise all samgha members would be called unsui.
                            NEVER set apart, not in the least.

                            If anything ...

                            It is to volunteer and offer oneself as the lowest ‘sailor on the ship’ at the beck and call of the passengers' well-being and needs, a nurse to help clean soiled linens, a brother or sister to sacrifice oneself for a family, a friend offering to help carry a burden. One must be committed sincerely to serve and benefit others, and one must not undertake such a road for one’s own benefit, praise or reward.

                            Gassho, J
                            ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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                            • Hoyu
                              Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 2020

                              #15
                              Re: Questions to the unsui

                              The best thing to do isn't always the easiest!

                              Anista wrote:
                              Although I am not sure where I have stated otherwise, and where my opinions have changed. Please, if you can, point me to where I have stated that there must be a "certian set of views one should poses to have this title [unsui]"
                              Well it's not that you've mentioned a certain set of views one should have to be unsui but rather another stance you have previously taken. Which then relates to your questions here.
                              You once questioned how a person could even be a Buddhist if they didn't believe in certian parts like reincarnation etc. So then, with this manner of thinking I figured you must take a similar stance towards those who choose to become unsui and later priests. As in, how can one even choose to travel this path should they not believe in some things or have different views from the entirety of these concepts.

                              Gassho,
                              John
                              Ho (Dharma)
                              Yu (Hot Water)

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