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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 40270

    Enlightenment

    Someone wrote to ask why I rarely talk about "Enlightenment", or use that word, here or in the sit-a-longs ...

    ... but I feel that is all I talk about ...
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE
  • Tb
    Member
    • Jan 2008
    • 3186

    #2
    Re: Enlightenment

    Hi.

    And in an very enlightening way too.

    Mtfbwy
    Tb
    Life is our temple and its all good practice
    Blog: http://fugenblog.blogspot.com/

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    • Shohei
      Member
      • Oct 2007
      • 2854

      #3
      Re: Enlightenment

      indeed! Dont stop the music!

      Gassho, Shohei

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      • Shindo
        Member
        • Mar 2008
        • 278

        #4
        Re: Enlightenment

        Could you say that we already enlightened and our practice helps us see that ordinary condition? Chop wood, carry water & see things as they really are - nothing added, taken away etc
        Kind regards
        Jools
        [color=#404040:301177ix]"[i:301177ix]I come to realize that mind is no other than mountains and rivers and the great wide earth, the sun and the moon and star[/i:301177ix]s". - [b:301177ix]Dogen[/b:301177ix][/color:301177ix]

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        • Yugen

          #5
          Re: Enlightenment

          That's settled then... there is nothing to see here! :lol:

          A deep bow,
          Alex

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          • CharlesC
            Member
            • May 2008
            • 83

            #6
            Re: Enlightenment

            But don't most of us secretly hope for enlightenment, whatever we take that to be?

            :Charles

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            • Shohei
              Member
              • Oct 2007
              • 2854

              #7
              Re: Enlightenment

              Originally posted by CharlesC
              But don't most of us secretly hope for enlightenment, whatever we take that to be?

              :Charles
              Yes, but Very Openly!
              I do hope I can realize enlightenment and then move on.

              Gassho, Shohei

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              • Jinho

                #8
                Re: Enlightenment

                Originally posted by CharlesC
                But don't most of us secretly hope for enlightenment, whatever we take that to be?

                :Charles
                Tis reminds me of what I think is an important distinction. While it is true that we (and all phenomena) are intrinsically enlightened, that is not the same as being able to personally fully experience that enlightenment, and/or being able to manifest that enlightenment in the world.

                Me, I am busy manifesting my delusion for everyone's edification.......

                cheers and gassho,
                rowan

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                • disastermouse

                  #9
                  Re: Enlightenment

                  Originally posted by Dirk
                  Originally posted by CharlesC
                  But don't most of us secretly hope for enlightenment, whatever we take that to be?

                  :Charles
                  Yes, but Very Openly!
                  I do hope I can realize enlightenment and then move on.

                  Gassho, Shohei
                  Where would you go?

                  This may help you. I remember about a year after I started meditating frequently (three years after I had a spontaneous awakening experience), I was walking through the snow, meditating, and realized that as I was walking toward a snowbank - that in my mind, I could not make them 'one' - even though my previous experience and realization had shown me there was just 'this' thing happening (less than one, really). At that moment, I realized I could never 'make them one' if I start out with them as separate to begin with. Once your mind separates your experience and parses it out into this and that, there may as well be a million miles between them and they can never be 'one'. However, awareness and perception begin before or underneath this parsing. At that point, you truly do 'hear with your eyes and see with your ears'.

                  IMHO, IANAT.

                  Chet

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                  • Shohei
                    Member
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 2854

                    #10
                    Re: Enlightenment

                    Thank you Chet!

                    Gassho, Shohei

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                    • Taigu
                      Blue Mountain White Clouds Hermitage Priest
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 2710

                      #11
                      Re: Enlightenment

                      I remember, I must have been fourteen at the time, started zazen just the year before, and as I was walking in the beautiful old city of Le Quesnoy...And it happened two or three more times afer. These days, nothing. Plain nothing. Just enjoying life as it is. No peak experience. Shikantaza is It.
                      Love

                      Taigu

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