Cultivating the Right Brain - Nirvana?

[Tomás ESP]

Today I watched a short video from Plum Village (Thich Nhat Hanh's tradition). It equated (more or less) the deactivation of the left hemisphere of the brain with Nirvana. I am curious to know: What is nirvana to the practitioners from Treeleaf? Do you agree with what is shown in the video?

Gassho, Tomás
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[Bion]

The undivided mind is Nirvana, for me. Existing in harmony between reality and our fictitious version of it is Nirvana as well. Sitting upright, breathing, awake and letting go of thought is Nirvana.

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[Jundo]

I am not a neuro-scientist, so I hesitate to attribute the experience of Zazen to specific brain regions, but there is very much something to what is described in the video.

Namely, our hard senses of self/other, the borders of the body, measuring of passing time, feelings of fear or sadness or peace or joy, feelings of resistance versus equanimity, etc. etc., all arise in regions of the brain in their interaction among our own thoughts and sensory data from the "outside" world. Our Zazen practice softens, and sometimes, drops away that sense of "self" with all its judgements and demands, feeling of resistance and conflict with the world. For sure.

I just read yesterday an interview with Zen practitioner and actual neuro-scientist, Dr. James Austin, who experienced a very radical Kensho dropping of self many years ago, which he attributes to the "reticular nucleus" possibly "blockading other thalamic nuclei," but he is guessing too.

Yes, there is much in the experience of Dr. Jill Taylor (mentioned in the video) to learn from:

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For anyone who is interested in how the brain comes to play in such "moments," this is not to be missed ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyyjU8fzEYU

Yes, an amazing story and a unique understanding as a neurologist. I know a pair of interviews with here on two Public Radio science programs, Insight and Radiolab. She had something to say about what she recommends to folks as a daily Practice (short of having a lucky stroke, of course!) ...

Taylor: Yea, it was really wonderful, you know we have these two very different hemispheres inside of our heads and they process information in totally different ways. In the right hemisphere thinks in pictures and it is all about the present moment. It is analyzing and perceiving all the information from our sensory systems and creating a big enormous collage of this present moment. And the existence of the present moment is beautiful, there’s no judgment there, it’s just it is. And when I lost the judgment and the critical analysis ability of my left hemisphere in that language structure and the ability to think linearly and sequentially and methodically and the make sense of the past and to project ideas into the future I lost the past, I lost the future I was given the present moment and for me it was a total experience of peacefulness and euphoria. And for me, so much of my motivation to recover and to reconnect with the external world is to help people recognize that they have this experience of deep inner peace right there in the right hemisphere its always there if you allow the left hemisphere verbiage system to shut down enough to allow you to come back to the present moment.

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Taylor: Yea, I think that it’s very important that we recognize that both hemispheres are always functioning and I kind of, I don’t know who it was someone famous said that the blue sky is always there, and to me the blue sky is the consciousness of the right hemisphere. And then the clouds come in which is the consciousness of the left hemisphere and the verbiage and it blocks our ability to see the blue sky but the blue sky is still always there. So I encourage people to pay attention to the two very distinctively different characters inside of your body. You always have the option, moment-by-moment, of saying in this moment I'm going sit back, I’m going to look at the world around me, I’m going to escape all the things that I’m thinking about and I’m just going to pay attention to how the air feels, the temperature of the air, my breath, pay attention to feeling it come in and go out, look at the colors in the field around me stop thinking and analyzing everything that’s going on inside of your left hemisphere, all the jargon. Then you can consciously choose to have that experience at any moment.

Strainchamps: You make it sound so easy but I don’t think it’s that easy.

Taylor: You have to be persistent. You know, I think that what I bring to this story that hasn’t been brought before is, through the eyes of a scientist, who specializes in the brain, we do have two very separate hemispheres and I think it’s a matter of recognizing we are biologically designed to have this experience of feeling at one with all that is and to be able to say, oh, all I’m doing is quieting a certain group of cells inside of my brain , you know judgment, that critical judgment not just of I’m wasting my time here, why am I sitting here doing this I’m just wasting my time and it’s like, yea that’s the point , the point is to allow yourself to get out of the fact that you think that you’re wasting your time.

http://ttbook.org/book/transcript/tr...taylor-insight

She said on Radiolab as she was in the hospital ICU ...

JILL BOLTE TAYLOR: And I lost all my memories



ROBERT KRULWICH: And yet she says sitting there and that's suddenly wordless space—



JILL BOLTE TAYLOR: I had found a peace inside of myself that I had not known before. I had pure silence inside of my mind. Pure silence.



JAD ABUMRAD: Pure silence



JILL BOLTE TAYLOR: Pure Silence

JAD ABUMRAD: What was—



JILL BOLTE TAYLOR: You know, not that little voice that you know you wake up in the morning and the first thing your brain says it Oh man the sun is shining. Well imagining you don't hear that little voice that says man the sun is shining you just experience the sun and the shining.



ROBERT KRULWICH: Is this the absence of reflection of any kind? Is it just sensual intake and “period?”



JILL BOLTE TAYLOR: That is exactly what it was it was. It was all of the present moment.



JAD ABUMRAD: Did you have thoughts?



JTB: I had joy.



(R. laughing.)



JILL BOLTE TAYLOR: I just had joy. I had, I had this magnificent experience of I’m this collection of these beautiful cells. I am organic. I’m this, this organic entity.



ROBERT KRULWICH: Did you have a dead head period by any chance?



JILL BOLTE TAYLOR: You know why I missed that by a few years, but I get that a lot.



ROBERT KRULWICH: And, and the other thing that she told us is that lying in that bed without words, she says she felt connected to things, to everything, in a way that she never had before.



JILL BOLTE TAYLOR: Oh yeah I lost all definition of myself in relationship to everything in the external world.



JAD ABUMRAD: You mean like he couldn't figure out where you ended.



ROBERT KRULWICH: How much of that was about language. A little part? A lot? I mean.



JILL BOLTE TAYLOR: Oh I would say it was huge. Language is an ongoing information processing it's that constant reminder. I am, this is my name, this is all the data related to me, these are my likes and my dislikes, these are my beliefs, I am an individual, I'm a single, I am a solid, I'm separate from you. This is my name…



JAD ABUMRAD: Now as fruity as this may all sound to pin all this on language, we have run into this idea before. A couple seasons ago. Paul Brucks, remember him?



ROBERT KRULWICH: Yeah sure.



JAD ABUMRAD: Neuropsychologist.



P: Well if you have to ask me about myself…

JAD ABUMRAD: He told me that there's a theory out there, which he believes actually, that all a person is in the end. Like all the personhood of a person, the I or the you of a person all that is in the end is a…



P: Story.



JAD ABUMRAD: A story you tell yourself.



P: What we normally think of when we think about ourselves. Is really a story; it's the story of what's happened to that body over time.



JILL BOLTE TAYLOR: I did not have that portion of my language center that tells a story curious little Jill, me, Jill Bolte Taylor climbing the Harvard ladder, through language, loves dissection, cutting up things, that language was gone. I got to essentially become an infant (baby sounds) again.

http://www.radiolab.org/story/91725-words/

Yeah, yeah ... blue sky, clouds, past present and future, judgments, like and dislikes, names dropped away ...

The cut up, time measured, "me" vs. "you" way we usually experience this world ... and the whole, timeless, selfless way ... both perfectly good ways for the mind to experience reality. Both viable mental models for describing how the universe is put together and works as individual things or as a whole. In fact, not being a prisoner of the former, nor merely the latter, is our practice ... not one, not two.

Gassho, J

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[Tomás ESP]

The undivided mind, beautifully said Bion. Thank you Jundo for the extra information, I love the "not one, not two", it really resonates with my own journey in this moment. Also, I read Jill's book some time ago while taking a class in neuropsychology and really enjoyed it, I also highly recommend it

Gassho, Tomás
Sat&LaH

[Yamabushi]

I believe the book entitled No Self, No Problem: How Neuropsychology Is Catching Up to Buddhism by Chris Niebauer deals with this. It is an interesting read. I believe Dr. Taylor's experience is highlighted in this text. Great find!

Gassho,

-Jared

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[Amelia]

I was going to post that video, Jundo, but you beat me to it! I watched that years ago and it always stuck with me.

Gassho
Sat, lah

[Inshin]

In the right hemisphere thinks in pictures and it is all about the present moment.

That's interesting what Taylor writes. Not sure how accurate it is though. My ability to picture anything is extremely poor and recently I found out that I might be on the spectrum of aphantasia and Severely Deficient Autobiographical Memory (SDAM). I cannot revisit memories as images, relieve past experiences, when I think about the past it is thinking about facts, maybe having a very blurry image if any. I cannot envision the future either. I can think about it in terms of facts and planning but not picture it. Which means that I kind of always live in the present moment. Is living in in the Now Nirvāna? I don't think so. For me Nirvāna is freedom from wanting something I don't have and from resisting something I don't want. As humans we will have our wants and resistance but not being enslaved, and tossed around by them is a huge relief. Just sitting is a huge relief.

Sorry for running long.
Gassho
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