kinhin - which way of the hands?

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  • AlanLa
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    That girl has hands? :lol:

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  • Longdog
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    Might be you never know :twisted: , but some one else posted a comment about more or less the same thing on his blog :wink:

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  • chicanobudista
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    Originally posted by Longdog
    :lol: As I know you know, I'm referring to the principle not the lady :lol:
    From her response on is blog if you pay enough you can have all the secrets of zazen revealed :roll:

    See he's added some clarification to his article about the hand positioning now.
    Hey! Does that mean he is reading my posts here?! :P :mrgreen:

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  • Longdog
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    :lol: As I know you know, I'm referring to the principle not the lady :lol:
    From her response on is blog if you pay enough you can have all the secrets of zazen revealed :roll:

    See he's added some clarification to his article about the hand positioning now.

    _/_ Kev

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  • disastermouse
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    Originally posted by Longdog
    Well I rest mine on an upside down bum bag (I think you might call them fanny packs over there, but that's something else eniterly in the UK ops: ) . i.e storage pocket under the navel and upside down :lol: Works great, right position and no shoulder strain. Have seen others using a shawl or similar tied round waist to support hands. I sit kneeling so resting in knees/thighs is not possible.

    Odd that Mr W, as the 'Zen Master' didn't pose himself for the pics but chose to 'instruct' from the sidelines and then apparenlty get it wrong :roll:

    _/_ Kev
    Come on - we've all seen Brad. Are you complaining about the substitution?

    Just kidding, of course.

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  • Shohei
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  • Longdog
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    Re: kinhin - which way of the hands?

    Well I rest mine on an upside down bum bag (I think you might call them fanny packs over there, but that's something else eniterly in the UK ops: ) . i.e storage pocket under the navel and upside down :lol: Works great, right position and no shoulder strain. Have seen others using a shawl or similar tied round waist to support hands. I sit kneeling so resting in knees/thighs is not possible.

    Odd that Mr W, as the 'Zen Master' didn't pose himself for the pics but chose to 'instruct' from the sidelines and then apparenlty get it wrong :roll:

    _/_ Kev

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  • Mensch
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    I really appreciate the instructions on the hand position in Zazen. It's not a straightforward matter in Burmese posture. I usually just let the hands drop deep to the lap. A somewhat ambitious Doshi with a martial arts background in a lokal zendo once instructed me to raise them almost up to the navel. I gave it a try but I returned to my "lazy" position. To me it's much more effective to just forget the arms (but not the dhyana mudra) and only pay a attention to the proper tension of the back.

    Mensch

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  • disastermouse
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    As for the 'cosmic mudra', until I went to Kanzeon, I too used to hold it low in my lap as in the black and white photo of the Japanese man. At Kanzeon, the directed me to hold it higher like the attractive young woman in color photo - and it really exhausts my neck and shoulders. Sometimes, when I want to sit for a very long time, I do the unthinkable and take my hands out of the cosmic mudra for awhile and place them on my knees to give my neck and shoulders a break.

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  • Jinho
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    Hi y'all,

    Regarding the first big color pic of the woman doing kinhin, I notice that her arms and hands match the style used by gung fu martial artists when bowing/saluting a teacher (I just saw a wonderful show about two U.S. gung fu students traveling to Shao Lin temple in China).

    your in trivia,
    rowan

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  • chicanobudista
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    Originally posted by Jundo
    FInally, as to the pictures of "how to Zazen" ... the woman in the picture is holding her hands much too high. Unusual. She will tire her arms and shoulders for no purpose. As these Kodo Sawaki pictures show, the hands best rest on the upper lap directly (traditionally called the "Tanden"), or on a small cushion or towel that rests on the lap.
    Gassho, Jundo
    If you read the reader's comments, they mention that also. Hands too high.

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  • disastermouse
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    Most places I've been to do it the old-fashioned way....wrists neither supine nor prone - but neutral.

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  • Jundo
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    Hi,

    As one wonk to another ... yes, most Soto groups do this ...



    The other is usually associated with the Rinzai lineages, but I recently learned from Rev. Taigu (learn something new every day) that lineages such as Nishijima Roshi's (and Deshimaru Roshi's in Europe) associated with "Homeless" Kodo Sawaki (seen below) often do that ... I will try to ask Nishijima Roshi and others where this came from ...



    So ... when in Rome, do Kinhin as the Romans do. I think I will continue to use the top version because I have been doing that for 25 years.

    FInally, as to the pictures of "how to Zazen" ... the woman in the picture is holding her hands much too high.



    Unusual. She will tire her arms and shoulders for no purpose. As these Kodo Sawaki pictures show, the hands best rest on the upper lap directly (traditionally called the "Tanden"), or on a small cushion or towel that rests on the lap.




    Gassho, Jundo

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  • chicanobudista
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    Originally posted by Longdog
    Ah... now I see why I see posts which say 'Deleted'

    Sarcastic comment about the use of pretty suicide girls...

    Deleted...
    I didn't get to read ur deleted post...but..I must do say that when I read Brad's post, my first thought was..."Oh. Brad. Must let go of that attachment to SG." :mrgreen:

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  • Longdog
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    Ah... now I see why I see posts which say 'Deleted'

    Sarcastic comment about the use of pretty suicide girls...

    Deleted...

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