Reflections on Lent, Renunciation and Ango Commitments

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  • Shoka
    Member
    • May 2014
    • 2368

    Reflections on Lent, Renunciation and Ango Commitments

    It’s Ango season, so while we are still a few weeks out; the Priests and Unsui are currently running around behind the scenes making final adjustments, updating links, cleaning altars and prepping for all the wonderful activities.

    This time of year one thing that usually rolls around in my mind is Ango Commitments, what will I list in the forum as the something I’m going to give up.

    The short announcement reads like this:

    Give-up Something: Commit to give up one or two items or passions one truly loves during the Practice period, for example, sweets after meals, luxurious meals, cigarettes, television, consumer purchases of luxury items.
    My first year, I decided to give up watching TV and making purchases that weren’t truly needed. I don’t think it went very well. I started making excuses for purchases, then reasons to watch TV, etc. Looking back, I don’t think I really understood why I was giving something up. So other Ango items took priority, and it fell by the wayside.

    My dad is Catholic and every year practices Lent. Almost every year he gives up coffee; now it’s important to note my dad loves coffee… I would guess he drinks a pot or so a day (I mean we don’t count because it would scare you.) But every year he drinks his last cup for 40 days sometime in Feb and makes his way through those days without. It’s a running joke that anyone he works with is happy when Easter finally passes and they celebrate with good coffee all around on Monday.

    For years I would call my dad on Ash Wednesday and ask if he was giving up coffee that year, and what he drank that morning. (Yeah I’m an awful daughter sometimes, but it’s all out of love.) Last year, I finally asked, “Dad you do this every year. You know you can give it up and make it; so why do you keep doing it?” He said, “I give it up every year so I will remember each day how fortunate I am and that I should be grateful every day.”

    That really struck me, and last year when Ango rolled around it changed my perspective on “Giving up something you love”. There is a term in Buddhism that isn’t used a lot in Zen schools, renunciation. It’s defined as “the formal rejection of something, typically a belief, claims or course of action.”

    But beyond that definition; is the act of renunciation meant for much more? In my mind it is a way to create perspective. To examine the things we have that bring us joy and our relationship with them. Do we cling to them so tightly that going without them for a short time is impossible or do we grasp them lightly experiencing what they bring us, enjoying them for the moment they are and releasing the grip once it passes?

    I read this blog post from Gesshin Greenwood recently, http://thatssozen.blogspot.com/2019/...unciation.html (sidenote: I have not read the book, so I have no comments on it.)

    The post had this quote inside which really stuck with me:

    Bhikku Bodhi explains, "real renunciation is not a matter of compelling ourselves to give up things still inwardly cherished, but of changing our perspective on them so that they no longer bind us. When we understand the nature of desire, when we investigate it closely with keen attention, desire falls away by itself, without need for struggle."
    For me this quote is very much two-fold. First, is that renunciation isn’t really about giving up the things you cherish. For example, it isn’t about not drinking the coffee, or not watching TV. But instead it is about changing your perspective on these things.

    Often, we talk about examining things, looking for the truth in things. The act of renunciation is the same process. We take something that we love, that we won’t want to do without and then we examine our relationship with it closely by getting rid of it for a time. How does the perspective of that activity or thing change with that examination?

    As Gesshin says in her blog, “I believed I could will myself to renounce. But renunciation comes from understanding, not force.”

    So for me the point of the practice is to develop a greater understanding of myself and why I do the things I do. As I think about what to give up with year, I realized that the “give something up” commitment isn’t meant to be a self-help checklist. It is meant to be an examination that helps us change our perspective on things.

    To that end I debate the following, is giving up something that I want to give up the same as giving up something that I want in my life? For example, if I gave up ice cream because I was allergic to dairy and really shouldn’t be eating it anyways. Will it cause the same examination of the relationship and shift in my gasping? Or would the examination of something that I intend to go back to after Ango allow for a better examination of my clinging?

    What do you think?

    Gassho,

    Shoka


    PS- Here is a longer article/discussion on the practice of Renunciation. It is a panel style article, with four priests from different traditions. It is interesting to see the different perspectives on the practice.

    Renunciation is about more than just doing without things. It’s the beautiful realization that you already have everything you need. Forum participants: Ajahn Amaro, Geoffrey Shugen Arnold, and Elizabeth Mattis-Namgyel. Introduction by Koun Franz.
  • Ishin
    Member
    • Jul 2013
    • 1355

    #2
    Hmmm.. well I think I agree that renunciation comes from understanding not force. But what IS that understanding? To me it is the understanding that with certain activities or attachments we recognize that what we THOUGHT or THINK we need or desire is really causing suffering for ourselves or others.. Perhaps you are right that we should not necessarily see this activity as a "self help"checklist, however we are not really being drawn or encouraged to give up the things that are beneficial to ourselves or our practice are we? I mean we probably won't be hearing that I am giving up eating plants, getting sleep, or spending quality time with my family. For me this speaks to our precept of "Right Action". In the past some people have opted to included something positive rather than give up something. Perhaps both are good ideas. Ultimately I feel the purpose of any of this is to deepen our practice, so anything along those lines is probably GOOD practice.

    Gassho
    Ishin
    Sat Today
    LAH
    Grateful for your practice

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    • Onka
      Member
      • May 2019
      • 1576

      #3
      Thanks Shoka

      I've been thinking hard about this upcoming Ango period a lot. It's my first Ango and I'm also going to study for Jukai as well.

      The renunciation that you described resonates strongly as I am making huge and i do mean HUGE changes in my life. To date these changes have been incremental and I've kinda been half arsed about them, always managing to convince myself that I just need to do this or that and listen too easily to the influences of all kinds that demand that I do something or other.
      Now I find myself calmly, well as calmly as i get, and resolutely ignoring the less than always positive or productive influences. Instead I'm drawing more on my Zazen practice, the teachings of Jundo, the wisdom found within the collective Treeleaf Sangha and it feels bloody great.
      Life for me is too real in too many ways so to undertake what I'm undertaking here is significant, wonderful, incredibly challenging but joyous and is already impacting my interactions with the world in a more positive way.
      Excuse my verbosity Shoka but I'm looking forward to announcing my renunciation (s) come the start of the Ango period.

      Gassho
      Anna

      ST/LAH
      穏 On (Calm)
      火 Ka (Fires)
      They/She.

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      • krissydear
        Member
        • Jul 2019
        • 90

        #4
        I have been thinking something that echoed similarly, actually, Shoka, and this post put it into a complete thought. I have been trying to think about what I should give up, and it’s been difficult.

        At first, I thought of giving up meat, because, while it might be challenging, it was something I should be limiting anyway. But I thought that might be ‘taking the easier way out’

        Then, I thought that I should give up ice cream, because I really love ice cream, and eat it often. But I don’t know if that is still ‘copping out.’ It’s easier than meat, sure, but is it any different? That’s when I realized it’s not about the ice cream, per se. It’s about who I am without it.

        Since then, I’ve been contemplating the kinds of things that would not only challenge me in my daily life or physical life but also mentally- things that give my life perspective.

        It’s a very short list so far, so I am trying to chew on this more as we get closer to Ango. I grew up Catholic, so I have ‘given up’ many things for lots of Lents throughout my younger life, but I am not sure I ever really understood why.

        Here is my potential renunciation list:
        1. Seeking validation/permission from others (I tend to ask people, “is this okay?,” a lot.)
        2. Sugar (I have a mental dependency beyond physical requirements that I probably need to really look at. How will it effect how I interact with others?)
        3. Fast Food/Quick-Service (We have one night allotted to eating fast food but I want to know how different things would be if we didn’t. Is it really worth it/necessary? How will it effect how I act/treat people?)

        Anyway, that’s it for now. I’ll think about it some more.... I think this was a great topic, so thank you, Shoka and all, for sharing so far.

        Gassho
        Krissy
        Sat/lah
        Thank you for teaching me.

        I am very much a beginner and appreciate any words you may give me.

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        • Tairin
          Member
          • Feb 2016
          • 3174

          #5
          Thank you Shoka. I like the perspective you brought to this.

          For past Ango's I have tended to give up or renounce something that I really want to renounce totally from my life. If I gave up coffee there would be no question that I'd start up again at the end of Ango. Normally I give up something like social media or mindless web surfing. Something I want to remove from my life.


          Tairin
          Sat today and lah
          泰林 - Tai Rin - Peaceful Woods

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          • Kyotai

            #6
            Thank you Shoka, well said.

            Gassho, Kyotai

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            • Seibu
              Member
              • Jan 2019
              • 271

              #7
              Originally posted by Shoka

              ...renunciation isn’t really about giving up the things you cherish. For example, it isn’t about not drinking the coffee, or not watching TV. But instead it is about changing your perspective on these things.

              Often, we talk about examining things, looking for the truth in things. The act of renunciation is the same process. We take something that we love, that we won’t want to do without and then we examine our relationship with it closely by getting rid of it for a time. How does the perspective of that activity or thing change with that examination?


              So for me the point of the practice is to develop a greater understanding of myself and why I do the things I do. As I think about what to give up with year, I realized that the “give something up” commitment isn’t meant to be a self-help checklist. It is meant to be an examination that helps us change our perspective on things.

              Thank you for sharing this Shoka, I believe this to be the essence of letting go in my practice whether it is giving up something or just doing something differently like taking a pause after each bite of your dinner to cultivate gratitude and a greater sense of awareness as we did during the Simple-Living practice, or when deciding to buy something or not. I think that eventually it leads to cultivating an attitude you bring anywhere in your life and that helps you to make decisions, no matter how small, more consciously. This is inspirational food for thought and practice .

              Gassho,
              Jack
              Sattoday/lah
              Last edited by Seibu; 08-14-2019, 08:27 PM.

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              • Shinshi
                Senior Priest-in-Training
                • Jul 2010
                • 4190

                #8
                Thank you Shoka. That was very well said and really good food for thought.

                Gassho, Shinshi

                SaT-LaH
                空道 心志 Kudo Shinshi

                For Zen students a weed is a treasure. With this attitude, whatever you do, life becomes an art.
                ​— Shunryu Suzuki

                E84I - JAJ

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                • Washin
                  Senior Priest-in-Training
                  • Dec 2014
                  • 3944

                  #9
                  Good and thought provoking post.

                  This is how, I believe, I once ended up my relations with the excess of wine and beer,
                  that is by deeply analizing the impact they make and renouncing by will rather than giving
                  up by force. You couldn't put it better here. Thank you Shoka.

                  Gassho,
                  Washin
                  sat today
                  Kaidō (皆道) Every Way
                  Washin (和信) Harmony Trust
                  ----
                  I am a novice priest-in-training. Anything that I say must not be considered as teaching
                  and should be taken with a 'grain of salt'.

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                  • Teiro
                    Member
                    • Jan 2018
                    • 113

                    #10
                    Thank you, Shoka. This will absolutely influence my choices for this Ango - and for Lent (I do both).

                    Gassho
                    Teiro

                    Sat
                    Teiro

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                    • Meitou
                      Member
                      • Feb 2017
                      • 1655

                      #11
                      Thank you Shoka for such a timely and thought provoking teaching; I've already been mulling over how to approach this year's Ango and your words really resonate with me. In the past I've been quite troubled by my Ango commitments , to be honest, I've felt uncomfortable and insincere without being able to put my finger on exactly why that is. Your post has got me thinking that what has been lacking is that change of perspective, and the uncomfortable creeping feeling that actually I hadn't really given up anything at all because a temporary change of behaviour doesn't actually tackle the real problem of attachment.
                      Perhaps this year I'll commit to positive action and determined change rather than temporary renunciation. Some sitting and reflection needed.
                      Thank you again
                      Gassho
                      Meitou
                      sattoday lah
                      命 Mei - life
                      島 Tou - island

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                      • Nenka
                        Member
                        • Aug 2010
                        • 1239

                        #12
                        Thanks for this, Shoka, especially that Lion's Roar article. There's a line in there where Geoffrey Shugen Arnold says "You could ... look at any aspect of your life in which you feel there is indulgence or harmful excess—or deprivation, for that matter" which I've been mulling over.

                        I've been trying to figure out what I want to give up this time around but in an age of constant 30 Day Challenges I feel like I'm just extending some sort of self improvement exercise. I do know that every time I think about giving up Netflix (my only form of "t.v." these days) and/or social media, my brain really resists, so maybe that's something I ought to do. Maybe think about deprivation, too. There are many, better, things I ought to be doing but somehow lately I end up on the couch with my phone looking at I don't even remember what. What am I depriving myself of by doing this?

                        Gassho

                        Nenka

                        ST

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                        • Kyonin
                          Dharma Transmitted Priest
                          • Oct 2010
                          • 6765

                          #13
                          Thank you Shoka.

                          Giving up things we like is important because one can tell when the ego is taking control

                          Gassho,

                          Kyonin
                          Sat/LAH
                          Hondō Kyōnin
                          奔道 協忍

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                          • Risho
                            Member
                            • May 2010
                            • 3177

                            #14
                            Shoka - 1. your dad sounds awesome, 2. your post was awesome and inspiring; it just resonated with me; oh yeah this is why I give things up for Ango. well said

                            gassho

                            Risho
                            -st
                            Email: risho.treeleaf@gmail.com

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                            • Shugen
                              Member
                              • Nov 2007
                              • 4515

                              #15
                              Thank you Shoka for the teaching.

                              Gassho,

                              Shugen

                              Sattoday/LAH
                              Meido Shugen
                              明道 修眼

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