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  • Jishin
    Member
    • Oct 2012
    • 4821

    #16
    Originally posted by Junkyo
    Hi Jishin!

    I like this too! I have always been told I tend to be too wordy! Perhaps something to think about haha.

    Gassho,

    Junkyo
    Sat

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    I Ike brevity. All dogmas fall over time. Haikus are no exception. A haiku is what you say it is. But that’s just me.

    [emoji2]

    Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_

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    • Shinshi
      Senior Priest-in-Training
      • Jul 2010
      • 3693

      #17
      hawks on the wing
      in a spring breeze
      old leaves stir and dance
      空道 心志 Kudo Shinshi

      For Zen students a weed is a treasure. With this attitude, whatever you do, life becomes an art.
      ​— Shunryu Suzuki

      E84I - JAJ

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      • Kokuu
        Dharma Transmitted Priest
        • Nov 2012
        • 6849

        #18
        I am not the expert by any means. But rain always fall, winds always blow and there always is spring in the north.

        rain
        winds
        northern spring
        Yes, this works too. Brevity is punchy but it doesn't mean it is always best.

        I generally write and then strip out anything unnecessary but it is a matter of opinion what is necessary and what is unnecessary.

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        • Kokuu
          Dharma Transmitted Priest
          • Nov 2012
          • 6849

          #19
          I like:

          Thunder

          Or

          Sunrise
          The problem here is that there is no dynamic tension as there is between two parts of a good haiku.

          It is great to consider the impact and meaning of a single word but it isn't really a haiku. 'tundra' on a blank page works because of the interplay between the word and the space. Thunder and sunrise do not do that.

          I would put into the category of fun to play with as are single colour canvasses, but paling with repetition.
          Last edited by Kokuu; 04-05-2019, 10:18 AM.

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          • Kokuu
            Dharma Transmitted Priest
            • Nov 2012
            • 6849

            #20
            plum blossoms in spring
            dancing leafs drop in autumn wind
            the geese move to the south
            This might be a little wordy, Hishiryo.

            Firstly, you don't need spring in addition to plum blossom as that already sets the season as spring.

            Also, a haiku is generally set in one moment in time and place, so usually one season. There are exceptions though.

            Putting this in autumn it would be best just with the last part:

            leaves dance
            on the wind
            departing geese

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            • Kokuu
              Dharma Transmitted Priest
              • Nov 2012
              • 6849

              #21
              hawks on the wing
              in a spring breeze
              old leaves stir and dance
              I really like the idea! Maybe a bit briefer and make the connection clear?

              hawk on the wing
              last year's leaves
              live again

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              • Horin
                Member
                • Dec 2017
                • 389

                #22
                Originally posted by Kokuu
                This might be a little wordy, Hishiryo.

                Firstly, you don't need spring in addition to plum blossom as that already sets the season as spring.

                Also, a haiku is generally set in one moment in time and place, so usually one season. There are exceptions though.

                Putting this in autumn it would be best just with the last part:

                leaves dance
                on the wind
                departing geese
                Thank you for that response, Kokuu - i understand :-)

                Gassho,
                Ben

                St

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                • Jishin
                  Member
                  • Oct 2012
                  • 4821

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Kokuu
                  The problem here is that there is no dynamic tension as there is between two parts of a good haiku.

                  It is great to consider the impact and meaning of a single word but it isn't really a haiku. 'tundra' on a blank page works because of the interplay between the word and the space. Thunder and sunrise do not do that.

                  I would put into the category of fun to play with as are single colour canvasses, but paling with repetition.

                  thunder

                  This is a great haiku and this is why:

                  the before and after silence of thunder is not the same.

                  sleeping silence

                  thunder

                  startled awake silence

                  The silences are very different and provide the tension for a good haiku. "thunder" is the punch line and the second silence with the "aha" moment. Unenlightened vs enlightened silence. There is also mention of season.

                  Same goes for the next haiku:


                  Sunrise


                  There is dark and bright light before and after sunrise. The punchline is "Sunrise" and the "aha" moment is the light that comes afterwards. Another great haiku. There is also mention of time/season.

                  Creativity is fun and a haiku is a haiku when someone calls it a haiku.

                  My 2 cents.

                  Gassho, Jishin, ST

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                  • Shinshi
                    Senior Priest-in-Training
                    • Jul 2010
                    • 3693

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Kokuu
                    I really like the idea! Maybe a bit briefer and make the connection clear?

                    hawk on the wing
                    last year's leaves
                    live again
                    Thank you for the feedback Kokuu.

                    Gassho, Shinshi

                    SaT-LaH
                    空道 心志 Kudo Shinshi

                    For Zen students a weed is a treasure. With this attitude, whatever you do, life becomes an art.
                    ​— Shunryu Suzuki

                    E84I - JAJ

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                    • Mitka
                      Member
                      • May 2017
                      • 128

                      #25
                      Off-the-cuff haiku after zazenkai, please be nice .

                      plodding thoughts
                      shadow and incense smoke
                      the watcher watches

                      Gassho,
                      Mitka
                      Sat
                      Peace begins inside

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                      • Teiro
                        Member
                        • Jan 2018
                        • 113

                        #26
                        I have not the faintest idea about haikus, but I try it anyway.

                        red-dressed sun flows
                        into star-sprinkled night
                        I sleep

                        Gassho
                        Teiro

                        Sat
                        Last edited by Teiro; 04-08-2019, 04:42 AM.
                        Teiro

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                        • Amelia
                          Member
                          • Jan 2010
                          • 4985

                          #27
                          Moonlight cuts rivers
                          Out of dark slopes on the ground
                          Bright and stark like ice

                          Sat today, lah
                          求道芸化 Kyūdō Geika
                          I am just a priest-in-training, please do not take anything I say as a teaching.

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                          • Kokuu
                            Dharma Transmitted Priest
                            • Nov 2012
                            • 6849

                            #28
                            Moonlight cuts rivers
                            Out of dark slopes on the ground
                            Bright and stark like ice
                            Lovely, Geika, but no need to stick to 5-7-5 syllables.

                            red-dressed sun flows
                            into star-sprinkled night
                            I sleep


                            Sometimes not knowing is the best! Very good effort!

                            plodding thoughts
                            shadow and incense smoke
                            the watcher watches


                            Is good, Mitka! I wonder if 'rising thoughts' might be even stronger to convey the relationship between the thoughts and incense?

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                            • Kokuu
                              Dharma Transmitted Priest
                              • Nov 2012
                              • 6849

                              #29
                              The silences are very different and provide the tension for a good haiku. "thunder" is the punch line and the second silence with the "aha" moment. Unenlightened vs enlightened silence. There is also mention of season.
                              I agree but not sure the reader will get that. However, you could express it...

                              thunder
                              the silence before
                              and after

                              If haiku were just one word I doubt they would have survived for so long and spread to so many different countries and cultures. We need something more to say what it was about *that* thunder and your reaction to it that makes it different from any other moment of thunder. What was it about *that* particular sunrise.

                              The interest is in the specificity rather than generality.

                              Gassho
                              Kokuu

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                              • Jishin
                                Member
                                • Oct 2012
                                • 4821

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Kokuu

                                thunder
                                the silence before
                                and after
                                This is a very nice Haiku Kokuu. I agree with what you say about Haikus.

                                Gassho, Jishin, ST

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