Useful Oryoki Links

[Myozan Kodo]

Hi all,
Here are some of the links I referred to, and some other information:

Dogen's instructions on Oryoki, the Fushukuhanpo:

http://wwzc.org/dharma-text/fushukuhanpo-how-use-your-bowls

The official Sotoshu rules for Oryoki:

http://global.sotozen-net.or.jp/eng/practice/eating/oryoki/index.html

The chants we use for Oryoki at Treeleaf are in our Retreat Chant Book:

http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/content.php?206-Treeleaf-Retreat-Chant-Book

Measurements and instructions to make your own Oryoki cloths can be found here:

http://terebess.hu/zen/szoto/oryoki-instructions.pdf

Monk's Lacquered Oryoki Set from the Monestary Store:

http://www.dharma.net/monstore/product_info.php?cPath=21_138&products_id=2574&osCsid=k3f7hvsp7eocb7qgnt6indm4b0

Hattan measurements:
24cm x 33cm; 9.5in x 13in.

Waterboard:
21cm x 6.75cm; 8.25in x 2.75in.

Gassho
Myozan

[Dosho]

Thanks Myozan!

Gassho,
Dosho

[Mp]

Yes, thank you for these Myozan. =)

Gassho
Shingen

[Kyonin]

Thanks Myozan!

Very useful.

Gassho,

Kyonin

[Jiken]

Myozan,

What is the width for the water board?

Gassho,

Daido

[Myosha]

Hello,

Thank you for the links.


Gassho,
Myosha

[Myozan Kodo]

Useful Oryoki Links

Waterboard: 21cm x 6.75cm
Gassho
M

[Dosho]

I think he means thickness.

Waterboard: 21cm x 6.75cm
Gassho
M

[Myozan Kodo]

Useful Oryoki Links

Oh, right. I don't know. My best answer is thin, I guess.

How thick is your board Dosho? A cm or two?

Gassho
M

[Dosho]

It's hard to say exactly because it is curved. At any one point the thickness is only about 0.5cm, but if you were to carve out the shape from a wood block it would be about 1 cm thick.

In the end I would say don't go any less than 0.5cm, but if you have to cut the wood yourself anything less than 1 to 2 cm will be hard to cut without it splintering anyway. So, it really depends on your woodworking skills and/or luck at finding a piece the right size.

Hope that is helpful.

Gassho,
Dosho

Oh, right. I don't know. My best answer is thin, I guess.

How thick is your board Dosho? A cm or two?

Gassho
M

[Myozan Kodo]

Thanks Dosho. Mine is about 2cm thick. It's NOT regulation, rather an improvised waterboard. Jundo's, from memory, looks about a cm thick. I might be wrong on that, though. I'd say keep it thin, but not to breaking point, as Dosho wisely suggests above.

Hope that is of some help.

Gassho
Myozan

[Heisoku]

Thanks Myozan and Dosho. I will be on the look out for such a piece of wood this week! Gassho.

[Mp]

Thanks Myozan and Dosho. I will be on the look out for such a piece of wood this week! Gassho.

Diddo ... thank you Dosho and Myozan. =)

Gassho
Shingen

[Jundo]

If I may jump in on the Water Board (called the Mizuita in Japanese, but sometimes the "Suiban" which is just another way to read the same Kanji) ... here is a set of pictures that may give a rough image ... it is thin. Yes, the price is about $60 US just for the Mizuita!

http://www.itempost.jp/detail/1/designshopjp/1505

I am not so concerned on ultra-precise dimensions, and really it is a piece of wood painted black lacquer traditionally. Any generally similar piece of thin-ish wood should do. Originally, it was a handle for the bundle, used by monks as a kind of lid on their travel bag to keep out rain. It also doubled as a kind of rest to place the utensil bag on and to give some body to the bundle when it is tied together. The bowl are the round "bump" on the front of the "backpack" here known as the "Kesa Bunko/ Kesa Gori", which the monks wore for travel and pilgrimage (Angya). The Mizuita helped hold the bowls in place. However, now it is part of the Oryoki ritual too, as some of the movements involve it.



Traditionally, the travel pack contained their kesa, razor, jihatsu (another name for the Oryoki bowls), sutra book, a rain poncho and some small amount of money to cover their funeral (in case they died on the way, so the expense of funeral would not be a burden to anyone).

Gassho, J

[Shokai]

It's hard to say exactly because it is curved.

as I was about toexplain when my battery charger so rudely interrupted, the suiban both Dosho and I showed yesterday is a piece of bamboo; hence the curve
gassho, Shokai