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  • Taigu
    Blue Mountain White Clouds Hermitage Priest
    • Aug 2008
    • 2710

    Book of equanimity case 5

    'What is the ultimate meaning of the Buddhadharma?'
    Seigan replied : 'what does the rice cost in Roryo?'

    Most of the time we have an over idealized perception of the path with flying boddhisatvas and great awakening feasts. We are waiting for the Disney-Buddha land show, the cosmic parade, the Barnum Dharma freak show.
    Rice, guys. Just food. plain food. Its price. Just that. Nothing less, nothing more.

    'Go and wash your bowl.'
    'The tree in the garden'.
    'A shit stick.'

    Answers pointing atthe ordinary mind. Ordinary life, ordinary activity.
    The nothing special you should not make special ( that s why mindfulness is nt necessary, no need for a watcher, just do and don t make a spiritual fuss about it)

    How not to fall into this smell, this stench of Zen?

    How do you get carried away by expectations and dreams?how and to what could you pay more attention?
    How can shopping be the unfolding of the Buddhadharma? What do we add or take away to these simple things we do in our life? How not to?

    How to live the uncomplicated?


    Gassho


    Taigu

    Last edited by Jundo; 07-05-2020, 04:47 AM.
  • Myoku
    Member
    • Jul 2010
    • 1491

    #2
    I must admit I already read this chapter last weekend.

    The first thing coming to my mind when reading this case was ..."don't intellectualize, just do" which seems to be the message. Coming to this view, I put aside the book and prepared lunch for the family, no longer moving this in my head. But there was still that "watcher", seeing me reading this and then preparing lunch. What really hits me in your comment Taigu, is "...no mindfulness necessary." because if I would have to give someone a one word instruction to buddhism it would be Mindfullness or Awareness. So I went wrong :-D

    How to live uncomplicated ? Just do! But to just do one needs to omit adding all kinds of thoughts and drama, to omit it needs awareness until "just doing" has become a habit. No ? Well, I see awareness can be something added, but maybe its not ? I dont know :-D

    Gassho
    Myoku

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    • Tb
      Member
      • Jan 2008
      • 3186

      #3
      Originally posted by Taigu
      'What is the ultimate meaning of the Buddhadharma?'
      Seigan replied : 'what does the rice cost in Roryo?'

      Most of the time we have an over idealized perception of the path with flying boddhisatvas and great awakening feasts. We are waiting for the Disney-Buddha land show, the cosmic parade, the Barnum Dharma freak show.
      Rice, guys. Just food. plain food. Its price. Just that. Nothing less, nothing more.

      'Go and wash your bowl.'
      'The tree in the garden'.
      'A shit stick.'

      Answers pointing atthe ordinary mind. Ordinary life, ordinary activity.
      The nothing special you should not make special ( that s why mindfulness is nt necessary, no need for a watcher, just do and don t make a spiritual fuss about it)

      How not to fall into this smell, this stench of Zen?

      How do you get carried away by expectations and dreams?how and to what could you pay more attention?
      How can shopping be the unfolding of the Buddhadharma? What do we add or take away to these simple things we do in our life? How not to?

      How to live the uncomplicated?


      Gassho


      Taigu
      Hi.

      _/\_

      Mtfbwy
      Fugen
      Life is our temple and its all good practice
      Blog: http://fugenblog.blogspot.com/

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      • Rimon
        Member
        • May 2010
        • 309

        #4
        No mindfulness necessary

        Like Myoku, I was struck when reading that mindfulness is not necessary. But yes, that is one of the common tales of Disney-Buddha-Land: the uberbeing that is able to keep awareness 24 hours day, from drinking coffee to farting, nothing scapes his all-mighty awareness.
        And I've been so attached to that tale, dreaming of one day to become something like that...

        Time to wake up. Time to live the uncomplicated life

        Gassho
        Rimon Barcelona, Spain
        "Practice and the goal of practice are identical." [i:auj57aui]John Daido Loori[/i:auj57aui]

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        • andyZ
          Member
          • Aug 2011
          • 303

          #5
          Originally posted by Taigu
          'What is the ultimate meaning of the Buddhadharma?'
          Being able to post this very message.
          Gassho,
          Andy

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          • Al
            Member
            • May 2007
            • 400

            #6
            Watch yourself swing in both directions. Do not become so reverent toward the cracks, the tree outside the window, or the muddy step that you forget to offer reverence to Buddha, to ceremony, and to peace.
            Gassho _/\_

            brokenpine.tumblr.com

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            • Jiken
              Member
              • Jan 2011
              • 753

              #7
              I read this and I found myself trying extremely hard to craft a proper, enlightened zen response. Caught! (this is not my clever response i'm just being honest haha) Now I stop.

              Thank you for the teaching

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              • Myoku
                Member
                • Jul 2010
                • 1491

                #8
                Originally posted by Daido
                I read this and I found myself trying extremely hard to craft a proper, enlightened zen response.
                Wonderful ...
                _()_
                Myoku

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                • Thane
                  Member
                  • May 2012
                  • 37

                  #9
                  Hi Taigu

                  I really enjoyed your remarks about this koan. They were straight to the point. When i first read case 5, i felt a bit stumped by it. Perhaps i was looking for the flying Bodhisattva kind of answer. But no, nothing mystical, just rice, nothing more, nothing less. Ah how my monkey mind can hope for more! Great teaching in this short koan. Thank you.

                  Gassho

                  Thane

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                  • Heisoku
                    Member
                    • Jun 2010
                    • 1338

                    #10
                    How to live the uncomplicated?

                    Still practising this..... Zazen helps!

                    An old man of 105 years was asked the secret of a happy life. His reply was, 'be good'...simple!
                    Heisoku 平 息
                    Every day is a journey, and the journey itself is home. (Basho)

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                    • Daisho
                      Member
                      • May 2012
                      • 197

                      #11
                      Maybe the guy who came up with the Alcoholics Anonymous slogan "Keep It Simple" was a Buddhist!
                      Gassho,

                      Daisho


                      (Jack K.)

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                      • RichardH
                        Member
                        • Nov 2011
                        • 2800

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Taigu
                        How do you get carried away by expectations and dreams?how and to what could you pay more attention?
                        How can shopping be the unfolding of the Buddhadharma? What do we add or take away to these simple things we do in our life? How not to?

                        How to live the uncomplicated?

                        There is nothing I can do to drop dreams and live uncomplicated.... because anything I do is a contrivance of dropping dreams and living uncomplicated. The stink of simple. All I can do is dream and be complicated, and fall down over and over..... until these bones give up dreams on their own.

                        Gassho, kojip.

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                        • Heisoku
                          Member
                          • Jun 2010
                          • 1338

                          #13
                          No path,no wisdom and no gain.
                          No gain thus bodhisattvas live this Prajnaparamita with no hindrance of mind.
                          No hindrance therefore no fear.

                          Uncomplicated.
                          Heisoku 平 息
                          Every day is a journey, and the journey itself is home. (Basho)

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                          • Rich
                            Member
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 2613

                            #14
                            water flows
                            water goes
                            pay attention
                            _/_
                            Rich
                            MUHYO
                            無 (MU, Emptiness) and 氷 (HYO, Ice) ... Emptiness Ice ...

                            https://instagram.com/notmovingmind

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                            • Jinyo
                              Member
                              • Jan 2012
                              • 1957

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Myoku
                              I must admit I already read this chapter last weekend.

                              The first thing coming to my mind when reading this case was ..."don't intellectualize, just do" which seems to be the message. Coming to this view, I put aside the book and prepared lunch for the family, no longer moving this in my head. But there was still that "watcher", seeing me reading this and then preparing lunch. What really hits me in your comment Taigu, is "...no mindfulness necessary." because if I would have to give someone a one word instruction to buddhism it would be Mindfullness or Awareness. So I went wrong :-D

                              How to live uncomplicated ? Just do! But to just do one needs to omit adding all kinds of thoughts and drama, to omit it needs awareness until "just doing" has become a habit. No ? Well, I see awareness can be something added, but maybe its not ? I dont know :-D

                              Gassho
                              Myoku

                              I don't feel you went 'wrong' Myoku - I see practicing mindfulness (Thich Nhat Hahn makes sense to me) as a way of 'undoing' all that we pick up through life that gets in the way of our natural ability to 'just be'. Perhaps it is a little self conscious at the start but hopefully it becomes more natural over time.

                              Regarding the koan - asking the ultimate meaning of anything is problematic. 'What is the ultimate meaning of life' or 'what is the ultimate meaning of truth'. We have no secure answers for these questions - and all is relative.

                              Gassho

                              Willow

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