Blue Cliff Record (Case 15) Yun Men's Upside-Down Statement

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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 40719

    Blue Cliff Record (Case 15) Yun Men's Upside-Down Statement

    ¡ʇuǝɯǝʇɐʇS uʍop-ǝpᴉsd∩ uɐ ɹoɟ ǝɯᴉ┴ 'sɹǝɟɐǝ˥ ᴉH

    This continues from our last Koan, the appropriate statement of Yun-men.

    In the POINTER, we again encounter Manjushri's Sword of Wisdom which does not cut in two and kill, but rather "uncuts" into Wholeness beyond life and death. Better said, it uncuts into something vibrant that is non-death. However, even so, here we are still in this world of life and death. All true at once!

    In the CASE, a monk asks Yun-Men about some "it" that is beyond intellectual thoughts and present separate things/phenomena in the world. This is kind of a mistake perhaps, because too lost in emptiness, and "reifying" (making into a concrete thing) this "emptiness." Several commentators suggest that Yun-men then wishes to point the monk back to the fact that Emptiness is not a "thing" or "it," but is also this world of thoughts, things and phenomena too. So, he responds with something like that such a statement by the monk has it "ass backwards" or is too one sided.

    In the VERSE, the divided token is like those love charms that two friends split, again, not seeing the whole picture ...
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    The lines about the 84,000 disciples, the "phoenix feathers" (based on a Chinese saying about disappointing children), the 33 men (a reference to the first 33 Zen Ancestors up to Bodhidharma) and the tiger's den likely means something like "All the Buddha's many disciples argued and tried this and that but missed the mark until the Zen folks came along." The moon in the water is a traditional symbol of the Wholeness of Emptiness (the Moon) which is found reflected and fully held in each broken up wave and churning ripple of this broken up, divided world.

    ASSIGNMENT: In emptiness, statements have no subject object or sense of time ("I go to the store" has a subject separate from object and a sense of time in doing.) Can you write one sentence that has no subject, object or time? (HINT: ANY sentence you write with a subject, object and time was always free of subject, object and time even if you don't realize so. The trick is however, that you have to realize so ... or otherwise it is just an ordinary sentence with subject-object and time. ) Thus, please write this sentence.
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    Gassho, J
    stlah
    Last edited by Jundo; 12-02-2024, 12:13 AM.
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  • Meishin
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    • May 2014
    • 829

    #2
    Walking dreamlessly.

    Gassho
    Meishin
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    • Chikyou
      Member
      • May 2022
      • 667

      #3
      The clear blue sky reflects the lake.

      Gassho,
      SatLah
      Chikyō
      Chikyō 知鏡
      (KellyLM)

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      • ZenJay
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        • Apr 2024
        • 225

        #4
        Attention, attention, attention!

        Gassho,
        Jay

        Sat/lah today

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        • Matt Johnson
          Member
          • Jun 2024
          • 493

          #5
          噂が広まる。」
          (Uwasa ga hiromaru.)
          "The gossip spreads."

          _/\_
          sat/ah
          matt

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          • Ramine
            Member
            • Jul 2023
            • 182

            #6
            pine needles, grass, pebbles and crickets, dharma blossoms everywhere

            (There may be a subject, or not... see for yourself)
            (Thank you Master Dogen)

            Ramine
            Sat and Lah

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            • Jundo
              Treeleaf Founder and Priest
              • Apr 2006
              • 40719

              #7
              Here is mine: "I go to the store"

              ... because there is no subject, object or time there even though it appears so.

              Gassho, J
              stlah
              ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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              • Green Ben
                Member
                • Oct 2024
                • 49

                #8
                I see you.

                Gassho

                stlah
                Just some random dude on the internet, you should probably question anything I say

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                • Matt Johnson
                  Member
                  • Jun 2024
                  • 493

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Green Ben
                  I see you.

                  Gassho

                  stlah
                  whoa i feel so seen

                  _/\_
                  sat/ah
                  matt

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                  • Brett
                    Member
                    • Mar 2024
                    • 159

                    #10
                    Just this.

                    st/lah
                    gassho
                    brett

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                    • Onsho
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                      • Aug 2022
                      • 141

                      #11
                      I'll leave for work at 7

                      Gassho
                      Onshō
                      Sat Lah

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                      • BikeZen
                        Member
                        • Jan 2024
                        • 86

                        #12
                        The Lake of rivers.


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                        S/L
                        Last edited by BikeZen; 12-13-2024, 05:51 PM.

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                        • Tairin
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                          • Feb 2016
                          • 2849

                          #13


                          Tairin
                          sat today and lah
                          泰林 - Tai Rin - Peaceful Woods

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